Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a very bad policy. We should instead invest in local companies, not a American monopoly like Intel.
> This is a very bad policy. We should instead invest in local companies, not a American monopoly like Intel. The origin of the company is irrelevant if they respect basic norms. How exactly is "intel" a monopoly when Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is also American?
Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#102Once again EU taxpayer money bankrolling US tech dominance. When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry? And before the chip hipsters crawl all over my back to prove we ackshually have a powerful domestic semi industry, please name me another EU company, other than ASML (a company 90% of people here never heard of before the chip shortage), that has the same margins, dominance and ability to shape…
Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#103Investing in local chip fabs is long overdue. These are incredibly important for geopolitical stability and should be distributed world-wide. We've centralized too many fabs in too few places in the search for low cost.
This will not do much with Taiwan being a single source for semiconductor manufacturing supplies. Much of critical blockers for chemicals, consumables, materials will still be in Taiwan just because the semi industry is that huge there. All 300mm fabs working outside of Taiwan are just few shipments of consumables away from stalling all the time. When Russia attacks Ukraine, the 3rd world is fucked. When China attack…
With a fab, that's still difficult, but necessary.
Without a fab, however, that would have been deemed impossible and unrealistic.
Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#104Plugging this into Excel, you get the following distribution:
Country Count:
China 156 Japan 40 US 30 Taiwan 26 South Korea 23 Vietnam 21 Malaysia 15 Philippines 15 Thailand 15 Singapore 14 India 9 Germany 8 United Kingdom 4 Austria 3 Mexico 3 Belgium 2 Brazil 2 Czech Republic 2 France 2 Indonesia 2 Australia 1 Cambodia 1 Costa Rica 1 Finland 1 Ireland 1 Israel 1 Italy 1 Malta 1 Netherlands 1 Norway 1
apologies for the formatting.
Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#105Once again EU taxpayer money bankrolling US tech dominance. When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry? And before the chip hipsters crawl all over my back to prove we ackshually have a powerful domestic semi industry, please name me another EU company, other than ASML (a company 90% of people here never heard of before the chip shortage), that has the same margins, dominance and ability to shape…
XFAB-specialty fab in germany
Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean germany/the EU does pay subsidies to (cucumber)-farmers [0], there is literally billions each year flowing into keeping farmers somewhat afloat. [0] https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-11/agrarreform-landwirts...
Maybe I am an US citizen and I want to start a business in Germany.
[0] https://www.iamexpat.de/career/entrepreneur-germany/start-up...
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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#107Intel spent tens of billions on stock buybacks and now they're getting subsidies to build fabs. Why does the middle class taxpayer have to bail everyone out, with lower living standards due to taxation and inflation.
It's about national security. A fab is necessary for national security
Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
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#110The most economical solution is to hand virtually all industrial expertise and capacity to China, who not coincidentally massively subsidizes its industrial base. China's government puts its thumb on the scale. Not doing the same is unilateral disarmament.