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Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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> f people want to exchange more, they need more coupons. thats a fallacy. nothing prevents you from exchanging more even if you had a fixed number of coupons. you would just have to consider that the value of each coupon becomes more, not less, over time, so you need to use subdivisions of coupons more. Inflation, even at low levels, is ultimately value destruction over time.

> the value of each coupon becomes more, not less, over time Deflation has historically been a bad thing every time it's happened.

Nonsense. Sure, deflationary shocks can be calamitous, like the Great Depression or the GFC. But steady deflation over time is logically the natural and good outcome of improvement over time—as technology advances and we get better at producing things, they should get cheaper, on average.

Instead, our savings are buying us LESS over time, so that government can buy votes, fund wars, bail out defense contractors, pharma companies, financial institutions, and other cronies, etc. Inflation via the printing press, which is now just considered by many a normal phenomenon, is actually legalized wealth transfer from the savings of ordinary citizens into the coffers of giant government bureaucracies and the large corporations that feed off them.

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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Wow, this was the article I was looking for, it summarizes a number of thoughts about economics that I'd been having since the undergraduate days: - There's an authority about the field that really isn't deserved. The models are not made properly, and there's a lot of hand-waiving. I studied economics with a class of engineers and everyone pointed this out. - The pop-sci version of economics is a bunch of easy quips.…

The article talked a lot about winners and losers. It's interesting that there's no mention of debtors and creditors. The biggest winners in hyperinflation are people in massive debt. It's inflated away to nothing. The biggest losers are creditors for the opposite reasons. When inflation is just abnormally high (~8%), your debt doesn't get deflated to nothing, but you're getting a ~6% discount.

Only if you never need to refinance a debt.

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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The biggest argument against inflation as a monetary phenomenon right now is the foreign exchange rate: inflation is higher in the US than in the Eurozone, while a dollar is worth significantly more euros than what it was worth a year ago. In fact, if your salary is labelled in dollar and you live in Europe, your purchasing power increased in that period, which shows that the current level of inflation in the US isn'…

I see what you are saying, but just because the cost of living goes up in the US, does that really mean that the value of the USD as a commodity in it's own right must go up/down?

Many countries have their own reserves for the USD, which they use for their own purposes, and may exchange their reserves with each other, in a way where the US isn't even involved at all.

So in the forex markets the USD is just another commodity, and not a direct representation of the cost of living in the USA.

Going the other direction though, if the value of the USD goes up or down, I can see how that would affect the cost of living _within_ the USA since it is the local currency there. But outside the USA, why would it affect the cost of living in another country where they use some other currency?

This isn't really my field though, I'm just throwing out my thoughts. If anything I've written is wrong, I'm happy to read an explanation as to why.

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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Why can't it be both monetary and non-monetary? Say it's a vector, one element per CPI category. Throw housing in for good measure. The direction of this vector can change due to non-monetary stuff like Russia and oil. But if all of the categories, especially those without clear non-monetary drivers, rise, then it's also monetary. So maybe X = p_monetary + Q_nonmonetaty where p is a scalar and Q is a vector. I think…

Cost of “shelter” is already 32% of the CPI calculation. I really don’t understand this meme that housing costs aren’t factored in

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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If this perspective carries the day - which is plausible - then all it will reveal is that basically nobody in the voting public should care about inflation: 1) Inflation is not a useful metric for financial planning. If your investments are keeping pace with inflation then you have completely failed to position yourself correctly relative to the massive money creation going on. The gold price trend is posting consis…

I find it interesting that house prices are kept out of inflation. But if you are forced to rent forever due to unaffordable housing, in your later years you might be paying $3000/m rent instead of $0/m mortgage interest. But that fact is conveniently left out.

> I find it interesting that house prices are kept out of inflation.

> The reason, as I understand it, is that shelter costs are kinda funny in how they are added to this statistic.

Housing prices are not considered in the CPI ("cost of living") because houses are mostly an asset:

> House prices are an interesting case. Houses are considered capital investment by the [US] BLS. So, when the value of your home increases that's a good thing as you didn't consume the house. In other words, you don't need to replace the house. Consumption goods are different in that you need to replace the thing you bought. Inflation is very bad for consumption goods because it costs you more to replace that thing each time you need it (food, for instance).

* https://www.pragcap.com/forum/topic/assflation/#postid-2165

> The BLS views housing as a mostly “investment” item as opposed to a consumption item. So, for instance, when you consume a hot dog and have to replace it then the cost of replacement is a direct reflection on your well-being. A $1 hot dog that costs $2 one year later is a material change in living standards, all else equal, since the hot dog is an asset that you literally consume. A house is much more complex. […]

> Of course, anyone who owns a house knows that it’s not that simple. You do basically consume your house over time. For instance, my home has appreciated substantially since I purchased it just 5 years ago and underwent a hellish remodel. At that time the cost of replacement was roughly $300 per square foot. But in the ensuing years the cost of replacement has increased to $400 per square foot. As my physical home falls apart over the years I will need to replace it. But the key point is that, as I replace these components the housing market is likely to revalue the total home value to account for this investment. So even though I am consuming my house over time I am very likely to recoup those costs.

* https://www.pragcap.com/should-house-prices-be-in-the-cpi/

The "C" in CPI stands for consumer. Houses aren't in the CPI for the same reasons stocks and bonds are not: we don't consume them to live.

'Shelter' is considered in the CPI generally though:

* https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/2018016/cpi-ipc...

And in that you have mortgage payments: yes prices are up, but rates were going down recently, and are low by the standards of the last ~40 years.

> But if you are forced to rent forever due to unaffordable housing, in your later years you might be paying $3000/m rent instead of $0/m mortgage interest. But that fact is conveniently left out.

Rent is often cheaper than mortgage payments, and is very more often cheaper than mortgage payments plus the cost of maintaining a home. If you take the difference and investment you can have just as must equity in a few decades. Preet Banerjee goes over the math in this ten minute video:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMeI4uHAFE

He rents:

* https://www.speakers.ca/2013/10/preet-banerjee-sold-his-hous...

If you want to know when it makes financial sense, the "5% Rule" by Ben Felix is a decent place to start:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Golcxjpi8

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwl3-jBNEd4

Until recently he was a renter, but purchased a house 1-2 years ago. Not exactly happy with the decision:

* https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L5SAF0SHD1w

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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That's a lot of words and complicated statistics to argue against a simple graph showing M1+M2 supply since 2020 overlaid on a graph of inflation in the same time period. I think the lady doth protest too much...

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/80-of-all-us-dollars-in-ex...

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that house prices are kept out of inflation. But if you are forced to rent forever due to unaffordable housing, in your later years you might be paying $3000/m rent instead of $0/m mortgage interest. But that fact is conveniently left out.

Article you may enjoy: Why the government took home prices out of its main inflation index https://fullstackeconomics.com/why-the-government-took-home-...

Interesting: I think a key point about that is in the US your long term fixes allow you to really have a higher house price and lower interest rate and show it costs no more. In Europe etc. this isn’t the case so you can pay the boom price then get hit by interest rate rises.

It is always better to get the lower price higher interest combo though if you can afford to overpay as it reduces the term more effectively due to compounding.

Also the lowering interest rates are a one way street so the people getting in at the older higher interest rates get more equity for doing nothing as the lowering interest rates increase house prices. The latecomers just get more risk of negative equity.

Nimbyism and insufficient new building is another topic!

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

#108

Why can't it be both monetary and non-monetary? Say it's a vector, one element per CPI category. Throw housing in for good measure. The direction of this vector can change due to non-monetary stuff like Russia and oil. But if all of the categories, especially those without clear non-monetary drivers, rise, then it's also monetary. So maybe X = p_monetary + Q_nonmonetaty where p is a scalar and Q is a vector. I think…

> Why can't it be both monetary and non-monetary?

Empirical data says money supply often doesn't do much. See Japan for example:

* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=PA7P

Data series:

* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGJPN (JP inflation)

* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MYAGM2JPM189S (JP M2)

> Friedman was still right.

Lots of folks were following Friedman-like ideas in 2010:

> We believe the Federal Reserve's large-scale asset purchase plan (so-called "quantitative easing") should be reconsidered and discontinued. We do not believe such a plan is necessary or advisable under current circumstances. The planned asset purchases risk currency debasement and inflation, and we do not think they will achieve the Fed's objective of promoting employment.

* https://economics21.org/html/open-letter-ben-bernanke-287.ht...

And nothing happened—just like the Keynesians said. See also 'expansionary austerity' that many right-leaning folks were pushing, which also turned out to be a bust:

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/12/imf-a...

* https://archive.ph/Efnum

* https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2016/12/31/Exp...

* https://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr...

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

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Wow, this was the article I was looking for, it summarizes a number of thoughts about economics that I'd been having since the undergraduate days: - There's an authority about the field that really isn't deserved. The models are not made properly, and there's a lot of hand-waiving. I studied economics with a class of engineers and everyone pointed this out. - The pop-sci version of economics is a bunch of easy quips.…

The thing that has nagged at you as it has me, is the simple fact that not only was “economics” conjured and molded by and for the interests of the upper echelon of society, to control the language and thoughts about its terms; but that at the core of it, it’s nothing more than fraud, deception, con artistry. That’s all inflation is too, fraud that if you would commit it, e.g., you added filler to some product you de…

So you seem to be adding your voice in support for the article which, er, directly contradicts your views about money printing and current inflation.

Right now we know for a fact that current inflation is a genuine global shortage of actual stuff. Crude oil, cooking oil, wheat, Chinese products. Plus American government overspending, to be fair, but that's just a US phenomenon.

Of course that's inconvenient if you really desperately want to complain that you specifically are being cheated. After all if you have less, it must be because somebody else has more, right?

If we're all screwed, who do you blame? Putin and Xi are far away and broadly hated already, so there's no satisfaction to be had blaming anything on them.

Re: Inflation is differential and restructuring (2021)

#110
post #86
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> f people want to exchange more, they need more coupons. thats a fallacy. nothing prevents you from exchanging more even if you had a fixed number of coupons. you would just have to consider that the value of each coupon becomes more, not less, over time, so you need to use subdivisions of coupons more. Inflation, even at low levels, is ultimately value destruction over time.

> the value of each coupon becomes more, not less, over time Deflation has historically been a bad thing every time it's happened.

Yeah that decreasing price for silicon chips over the past decades has been a real disaster.
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