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Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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I was trying to find pre-made hand railing mounting plates, I thought to try and use google shopping because I didn't have an existing part number.

I enter my search term hit enter, for a split second I can see the exact products I want to browse but those results are quickly swapped out for a bunch of unrelated products.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i would often use `site:news.ycombinator.com` to search a topic to see if it has been talked about, and what comments that topic has. It's good, but not really _that_ often useful.

Yes I use that and site:reddit.com as well.

Yep, those are my two modifiers i often use -- that and since:2021

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #43

Google is so unbearable because they are no longer interested in you finding the answer to your query; they're interested in selling your query and its context to the highest bidder. That conflict of interest manifests in what Google has become.

Corollary: Web page creators are no longer interested in answering your query; they're interested in getting you to 1) view their page for ads 2) click on their affiliate links 3) buy the product they're selling. Google has an impossible task in trying to answer a query like "Portable air mattress reviews", because 99.99999% of the results are SEO-optimized crap

The top two organic results for that precise query are pretty informative articles from Wirecutter and Good Housekeeping. Unless I'm misunderstanding and you are expecting something better than this: https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home-products/a25473658/bes...

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

#104
post #85

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> 1) view their page for ads 2) click on their affiliate links 3) buy the product they're selling. 1 and 2 are trivial to detect. 3 is harder but still not impossible given Google's machine learning capabilities and existing datasets. Downrank or ban ads & affiliate links and you remove any incentive for creating spam sites in the first place.

So you’d downrank sites like Tom’s Hardware or wired.com? Both of which show ads and have affiliate links

If other content that doesn’t have those annoyances matches my search query then I would absolutely want to see it first.

This would also put pressure on content creators to tone down the ads or explore alternative monetization models.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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post #73

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It isn't nitpicking at all, I had the same question and glad you uncovered this answer. I think site:*.edu is just one tool in your search toolbox that you should know about, but I wouldn't expect it to work for every topic. Still, I had never thought of it so I'm glad I read this article.

i would often use `site:news.ycombinator.com` to search a topic to see if it has been talked about, and what comments that topic has. It's good, but not really _that_ often useful.

Hacker News has a really good dedicated search engine:

https://hn.algolia.com/

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

#106
post #70

I switched to using kagi.com a while ago, and I've never looked back. I've tried to use duckduckgo before but just ended up using '!g' most of the time. Kagi is in a whole other league. It's on par with, if not better than google search. I highly recommend it. When they introduce the paid tier I'm sure as hell going to subscribe to it. At this point I would trade my Netflix subscription for it.

I like Kagi too, and I will be a subscriber. It actually kind of reminds me of early google. Just the feels of it.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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While I might be a target audience for them and willing to pay a nominal fee monthly for good search I'm quite sure there isn't a market for it.

Just 1% of Google's market might be enough to sustain a non-bloated, VC-free company and make a good product. The Bloomberg Terminal is extremely expensive and yet companies pay for it because it makes their traders' jobs so much more efficient. I don't see why companies wouldn't do the same for a search engine that filters out all the bullshit so their employees don't have to waste their time wading through it.

1% of people who use Google is a hell of a lot. Also, Bloomberg doesn’t just search, it also provides data

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) view their page for ads 2) click on their affiliate links 3) buy the product they're selling. 1 and 2 are trivial to detect. 3 is harder but still not impossible given Google's machine learning capabilities and existing datasets. Downrank or ban ads & affiliate links and you remove any incentive for creating spam sites in the first place.

The problem is half the time the ads are Google ads anyway.

That's the ultimate problem - Google has a conflict of interest with their users which is why the quality has gone to shit.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

#110
This is why I left Google to join Neeva. Check us out. Unlike the alternatives, we are truly investing in our search stack.

Unfortunately there’s just too much inertia with the ads-based business model making it too hard for Google to not let itself get this way. Similar challenges with other ads supported businesses.

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