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Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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While I’ve done similar fasting myself, with the same wondrous effects you describe, I want to point out that it seems this might be a lot harder to do for young women (in child bearing age). My partner tried to replicate what I did since I was hyping it so much, and failed miserably. Later we learned that the female body reacts much more violently to the lack of calories than male ones, and its a lot harder for them…

I'm kind of doing "one meal per day" right now, not because I'm fasting on purpose but just because I don't enjoy eating (or cooking) more than once in a day. I mean I like to cook but doing it for over an hour every day just becomes a chore. I was under the impression that this was really unhealthy though. My BMI is 19 so I'm close to being underweight. Isn't this unhealthy? Do people fast and not lose weight?

For most males it should be possible to get enough calories and nutrients from just one meal, but I would not say easy. It is far easier with two meals, or maybe a time window of 4 hours.

It's probably also better to ease into it. So start with an 8 hour eating window and slowly decrease the window.

Getting enough calories and nutrients can be a challenge and is far from easy with the "standard western diet". I would really recommend seeking advice from a professional.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Due to pancreatitis, my stomach has been closed since October 2020. So I have been effectively fasting for a continuous 18 months. all I think about is food.

People talk about these "wondrous" effects of fasting. All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food. I lasted 5-6 days, tried to keep my electrolyte intake as well as I could, and it was miserable. I managed to eat very little (like 500-600kcal) on day 6 and really gorged myself on day 7 despite knowing about refeeding syndrome, I just couldn't help it. That was during my prime…

> ... All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food. I lasted 5-6 days, tried to keep my electrolyte intake as well as I could, and it was miserable....

Fasting is not just about not eating for 16 hours in a day. When you break fast, you need to watch how much you eat, and eat a lot less.

If you fast for 16 hours then gorge yourself, your stomach will keep growling and you won't be able to get used to being hungry and think about something else.

After a couple days of moderated eating + fasting your hormone levels will reach equilibrium and you won't feel hunger as intense / won't mind it at all.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kind of doing "one meal per day" right now, not because I'm fasting on purpose but just because I don't enjoy eating (or cooking) more than once in a day. I mean I like to cook but doing it for over an hour every day just becomes a chore. I was under the impression that this was really unhealthy though. My BMI is 19 so I'm close to being underweight. Isn't this unhealthy? Do people fast and not lose weight?

For most males it should be possible to get enough calories and nutrients from just one meal, but I would not say easy. It is far easier with two meals, or maybe a time window of 4 hours. It's probably also better to ease into it. So start with an 8 hour eating window and slowly decrease the window. Getting enough calories and nutrients can be a challenge and is far from easy with the "standard western diet". I would…

>Getting enough calories and nutrients can be a challenge and is far from easy with the "standard western diet".

Have you been to a grocery store in the last 100 years? Getting enough calories and nutrients is dead simple, our stores are overflowing with fresh fruit, vegetables, nuts and meat. What is the "standard western diet"?

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People talk about these "wondrous" effects of fasting. All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food. I lasted 5-6 days, tried to keep my electrolyte intake as well as I could, and it was miserable. I managed to eat very little (like 500-600kcal) on day 6 and really gorged myself on day 7 despite knowing about refeeding syndrome, I just couldn't help it. That was during my prime…

> ... All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food. I lasted 5-6 days, tried to keep my electrolyte intake as well as I could, and it was miserable.... Fasting is not just about not eating for 16 hours in a day. When you break fast, you need to watch how much you eat, and eat a lot less. If you fast for 16 hours then gorge yourself, your stomach will keep growling and you won't…

I think there's a misunderstanding about the semiotics of fasting. I don't mean intermittent fasting, I mean not eating, at all.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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I am not sure exactly what some people call fasting but I am bewildered by statements "I did 60 days of fasting/it is safe".

Here one can read about the "safety" of ca 60 days hunger strikes. See the section: "People who died on hunger strike"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Irish_hunger_strike

The oldest one died at age 29.

Bonus: "Other participants in the hunger strike". Column: Reason for ending the strike

One poor guy got a perforated ulcer and internal bleeding after 13 days.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Due to pancreatitis, my stomach has been closed since October 2020. So I have been effectively fasting for a continuous 18 months. all I think about is food.

People talk about these "wondrous" effects of fasting. All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food. I lasted 5-6 days, tried to keep my electrolyte intake as well as I could, and it was miserable. I managed to eat very little (like 500-600kcal) on day 6 and really gorged myself on day 7 despite knowing about refeeding syndrome, I just couldn't help it. That was during my prime…

Re: 'People talk about these "wondrous" effects of fasting. All I got was headaches, tiredness, feeling sick and constantly thinking about food.'

It sounds like you went into it without understanding the processes that will be unfolding - you didn't do enough research, otherwise you'd understand the symptoms you described.

The first time you fast will always be the roughest - most challenging too, especially since you've likely been eating highly inflammatory foods your whole life, likely without any break - and so by removing those foods and that inflammation from your body and brain, your brain is going to start functioning differently - and better.

Your brain 1) has to prune the pathways that were dependant on such a high level of sugar in your system (and not running off of ketones), and 2) inflammation has a depressant effect on the nervous system - and so you're essentially self-medicating to depress yourself when eating inflammatory food - and when you remove that, that depression is going to life, so your brain is going to want to start working faster as well - and so there will be pathways that will want to open up again that are no longer being suppressed-depressed.

It's also possible you weren't drinking enough water - or something was off with the electrolytes amount; you don't need any electrolytes or supplements if doing 3 days or less.

Refeeding syndrome is also a myth or rather it's a concept that formed from misunderstanding and poor guidance: "you have to eat small amounts and reintroduce foods slowly so you don't cause X, Y, Z." Bullshit. If you're eating food that's harming you, that you're sensitive to and your body is sending you pain signals for - but then you ignore that discomfort and continue to eat it, eventually you'll get somewhat "conditioned" to it - so you won't feel it as much - but that pain/discomfort/disruption/signal will still be there.

When I break a fast - I've done many 3 days, a dozen or so 5 days, and a couple ~10 day fasts - I literally cook one or two massive high quality and high fat steaks and devour one immediately - and the second usually within 2 hours. I don't feel any discomfort after, and I can feel my body being happy, and my mood lifts as my body knows it has food again; sometimes I'll have kale and a pack or two of raspberries - but I usually only add that on the following day. Simple, non-processed foods that I know my body is fine with - and the steak and kale being highly nutrient and energy dense (for their food group).

I break my fast with, return to food I know my body is good with because I've done the work to figure out (and not only through an elimination diet but also diagnostics that's far more efficient and provides concrete results to follow) - rather than in an unaware-unexplored fashion ingesting whatever I've been relatively unconsciously been eating for most of my life.

It was only in my early 20s a doctor told me to stop eating wheat due to symptoms he saw I had. No one prior to that ever suggested food could have been a source of any of my problems. Soon after that I realized I was allergic to eggs, learning later it is specifically egg whites - to which my mother also later learned she is also allergic to.

The mind is a powerful thing and will allow us to do things that are harmful to us, even pulling us away from, disconnecting us from feeling, suppressing us from feeling this harm that we're doing to our body - whether from food or physical activity. Most people don't do the work to explore, in part because no one has explained it to them thoroughly enough for them to be motivated enough to try.

I'd urge to you to try fasting again - but also to be gentle with yourself, don't be forceful or violent with yourself. Just start doing 3 days at a time to start. Likewise, figure out what a healthy-clean diet is for you - nd do that diet for at least 3-5 days before starting your water fast so then you have good energy and nutrient reserves at the beginning of the fast. And then break your fast with that same diet. If you need help figuring out how to figure that out, let me know, and I'll do my best to help. I plan to eventually write a book on the topic, at least a chapter of it, but I don't have anything complete to share with you yet in this regard.

I'd also recommend you read this other comment I just made - which will help you better understand processes that occur during fasting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31409602

And here's a 30 minute video by Dr. Jason Fung explaining by water fasting is good, healthy, and safe for us (arguably unless you're underweight and don't have fat reserves to burn): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk - Dr. Jason Fung - 'Therapeutic Fasting - Solving the Two-Compartment Problem'

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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I’m sure many would be quick to jump to numbers on how much you are supposed to consume/burn in a day, but I really don’t think eating too little or too much is by itself an indicator. The underlying psychological issues and associated stresses is what IMO qualifies as “unhealthy”, in which case corresponding under- or over-eating could result in malnourishment or excess weight[0]. However, in absence of these issues…

> I’m slightly underweight, and I can eat quite a bit without gaining much weight Interesting! Here's a challenge for you: could you buy — and eat — 5000 calories of chips/candy/soda per day for the next 90 days. You may not walk/run more than 5km/day, nor engage in other exercise for more than 30m/day. Please weigh yourself before & after this experiment.

I used to (?) stress-eat periodically (especially before I started trying to space out meals) and could go a long time without any exercise so pretty sure I approached this at some point or another in my life. Don’t weigh myself regularly but there were no signs of gaining weight. Maybe I’ll become heavy in my thirties, but so far all of that goes neither into fat nor into muscle.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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It's such a shame that there isn't more research in this area. There are so many seemingly wondrous effects on human health that would need thourugh testing. Apart from physiological benefits though, the mental aspect of fasting from my own experience can be quite exciting as well. A 7 day fast was the longest I did so far, but 72h really hit the sweet spot for me. It was like a journey through my mind, I got challen…

I have tried fasting by skipping breakfast and I have mostly failed because I am unable to endure when hunger strikes. I am interested to learn the mental methods you use to over that struggle.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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I am not sure exactly what some people call fasting but I am bewildered by statements "I did 60 days of fasting/it is safe". Here one can read about the "safety" of ca 60 days hunger strikes. See the section: "People who died on hunger strike" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Irish_hunger_strike The oldest one died at age 29. Bonus: "Other participants in the hunger strike". Column: Reason for ending the strike One…

What can we assume of the general health and condition of prisoners mistreated to such an extent they've embarked on a hunger strike in protest though?

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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It's such a shame that there isn't more research in this area. There are so many seemingly wondrous effects on human health that would need thourugh testing. Apart from physiological benefits though, the mental aspect of fasting from my own experience can be quite exciting as well. A 7 day fast was the longest I did so far, but 72h really hit the sweet spot for me. It was like a journey through my mind, I got challen…

I have tried fasting by skipping breakfast and I have mostly failed because I am unable to endure when hunger strikes. I am interested to learn the mental methods you use to over that struggle.

This is what helped me - your milage may vary.

1) Remove from your mind the idea that huner is suffering. It's all in your head. It's merely a mild discomfort.

If you ate last night and woke up in the morning, you are not hungry. You are just used to eat in the morning. Your body will not suffer any thing from skipping breakfast. It alerady has more than enough energy storage. It was designed to tap into it.

2) Surround yourself in a virtual environment where fasting and accepting hunger is the norm and expcted and obvious thing to do.

Read blogs about fasting. Watch youtube videos about fasting. Read books about fasting. Watch how people who consistently fast are healthy and fit.

3) Understand that there are two types of pleasure. Fleeting pleasures, and lasting pleasures. The fleeting pleasure are the sensual. They are momentary and quickly go away. If you spend your life chasing fleeting pleasures, you will be miserable.

Lasting pleasures - if you can call them so - are mental states. Contentment. Feeling in control of your life. These don't come from things. They come from what you value and the way you conduct yourself in the world. If you have no value, you will be controlled by your desires.

Some people think this is freedom: to do whatever you desire. To me, it's slavery. Because when you follow this path your life will be miserable.

Some people try to cheat by pretending that their misery is actually happiness. You see it in the people who insist that fat is healthy and beautfil and hot!

4) Understand that your mind is distributed. Even if you resolve to fasting, there will be some component of your mind that really really wants to just keep eating. Sometimes it might come out and win. Accept that such a thing could happen. When it does happen, don't be too hard on yoruself. Try to understand why it's happening. But anyway, go back right away. Understand that many other components of your mind want to continue doing the right thing.

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