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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by foxes »

aikinai wrote: post #89
foxes wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know what precise control you need over the document in the use case served by Google docs.

That’s exactly the problem; Google Docs’ use case is only “share a basic document and collaborate on the words.” It’s not capable of creating precise or maintainable documents (e.g. no styles as others have mentioned), which is a very common need that it’s adjacent enough to that lots of people use it for and then it fails.

What is a style? Are you trying to create a poster or do some graphic design? Some weird xml style sheet thing? Yes it’s not for that, but then also doing that in libre office or word also sounds horrible and unmaintainable.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#102

Post by thepasswordis »

meibo wrote: post #69

Inkscape definitely needs an UX refresh like Blender had one. It's very hard to pick up, lots of weird/arcane behavior that doesn't match other tools in the space. Happy to see that work is still being done.

Absolutely hard NO on that. I use inkscape almost every single day, and most of the buttons and tools are just pure muscle memory for me.

I genuinely do not understand this idea of doing "UX[sic] refreshes" on productivity software. Do people do design refreshes on hammers and screwdrivers?

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by thepasswordis »

Inkscape is an absolutely divine software. I use it almost every single day.

I have a copy of illustrator as well (which I pay for), but it mostly serves to export things to something inkscape is happy with, or for helping me identify fonts.

Inkscape blows it out of the water with its UI. Illustrator is confusing and it seems like everything useful is hidden behind a few layers of menus. I hate it.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#104

Post by brudgers »

bavell wrote: post #29

I'm a dev and I'm pretty comfortable with gimp and raster editors but I haven't spent enough time with inkscape or other vector editors yet. Anyone have some inkscape-specific links or resources to share on best practices and workflows? E.g. using layers, creating custom shapes, mirroring curves, exact measurements, etc...

Logos by Nick on YouTube.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by likeclockwork »

Gigachad wrote: post #18
jotm wrote: post #13

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That's not exactly a FOSS problem, though. Nothing stops an open source project from offering the same collaborative features as proprietary solutions. It just seems that people who work on FOSS value privacy, ownership and freedom more than braindead ease of use and monetization.

That seems to be an unfair dismissal of these products. The vast majority of everything built with these tools will be public facing. Marketing designs, UI design, etc. Design is a very collaborative process, especially with remote work which has made having everyone see and edit the same thing at once critical. It's not "braindead" to work in a team, its a requirement. I really want to see FOSS succeed but its hard…

I'm not they but I think they meant that the collaborative aspects of SaaS products emerge from the requirement to be as rentable as possible.

There are some open source movers in this space too: https://penpot.app/

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#106

Post by warning26 »

nerdponx wrote: post #45
zelphirkalt wrote: post #24

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Hm, I don't think online tools are that far ahead. If I look at the horrible experience, which is Google docs or MS Office 365, especially their word processing parts, they lack behind soooo much compared to a tool like Libreoffice. You cannot even properly use styles and, if I got a few $currency for every silly bug I encountered in those online half-assed tools, I would probably work half time only. If that experie…

Meanwhile LibreOffice is way better than the original MS Word in my opinion.

Word 97 was amazing and leagues beyond LibreOffice, IMO. The best part is that the entire installed size of word 97 is like 50mb!

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

meibo wrote: post #69

Inkscape definitely needs an UX refresh like Blender had one. It's very hard to pick up, lots of weird/arcane behavior that doesn't match other tools in the space. Happy to see that work is still being done.

"I want all my software to work in the same way, even if there are problems with the way it all works. I don't want developers to think about things and come up with new and potentially better ways, because then I have to learn stuff. Just make everything work the same, and I'll be happy, fast and productive."

So understandable. So depressing.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#108

Post by [deleted] »

foxes wrote: post #101
aikinai wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly the problem; Google Docs’ use case is only “share a basic document and collaborate on the words.” It’s not capable of creating precise or maintainable documents (e.g. no styles as others have mentioned), which is a very common need that it’s adjacent enough to that lots of people use it for and then it fails.

What is a style? Are you trying to create a poster or do some graphic design? Some weird xml style sheet thing? Yes it’s not for that, but then also doing that in libre office or word also sounds horrible and unmaintainable.

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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

#109

Post by ocdtrekkie »

cxr wrote: post #96
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #39

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Sandstorm.io tries to make collaborative web apps work easily with sharing for non-technical users, though we haven't solved getting people a server easily, or more crucially, convincing people to buy a server to do things they can do for free with ads. Unfortunately, the problem is companies powered by ad revenue have a lot more money to throw at usability than FOSS folks do.

> we haven't solved getting people a server easily It doesn't help that Sandstorm focuses on apps that are architected with a devops-heavy mindset. Many apps don't really need anything more complicated than PUT and DELETE (no POST special handling required), esp. since they're already doing so much on the client, anyway. This really calls for an auth-protected document store more than it does what Sandstorm tries to…

I really don't agree. I think loading a bunch of client-side crud from a random web server and storing it in opaque browser buckets is super untrustworthy. I think to some degree modern web app development has gone off the rails a bit.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by rhizome »

warning26 wrote: post #106
nerdponx wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile LibreOffice is way better than the original MS Word in my opinion.

Word 97 was amazing and leagues beyond LibreOffice, IMO. The best part is that the entire installed size of word 97 is like 50mb!

Wonder how it works in Wine.
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