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Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by natch »

kurthr wrote: post #91
natch wrote: post #71

Author of article is apparently unaware of online sales of new cars in which no dealer is involved. Which very well could have been zero as well, but it should have been mentioned even if to clarify they do not exist in China, if that is indeed the case.

How would you take delivery of a car when in lockdown? Maybe if you're a big white (Tyvek suited enforcer) you could pick it up? Why after two weeks of being locked into your apartment would you decide to buy a car you couldn't pickup, sight unseen?

Delivery != sale. If they are tabulating deliveries, they should use the word that matches their meaning, instead of a different word.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by vmception »

izzydata wrote: post #95
vmception wrote: post #81

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We don’t know about it having a worse effect on people, but it’s just more transmissible, and china does have a lack of exposure and lack of immunity

Right, I don't mean worse on a per case basis. Just worse overall number of cases if they respond the same way as the US. Instead they are basically forced to do these harsh lockdowns or else it would be way too devastating. If covid continues to mutate as the rest of the world keeps getting infected then China will keep having to have more aggressive and longer lockdowns. Everywhere else is slowly building natural i…

Yeah, tough order for them, Xi has specifically said they won’t do a Darwinian thing that the west/US did

So they will have to keep doubling down until more people die of starvation or a reaction to a mental health challenge

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by whimsicalism »

_fat_santa wrote: post #92
whimsicalism wrote: post #63

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But most of China has not been on lockdown for most of the pandemic. Most people have experienced less lockdown than in the US, albeit more intense when it is locked down. 4 million excess deaths is a ton no matter which way you look at it.

> 4 million excess deaths is a ton no matter which way you look at it. You have to take the size of China into account, with 1.5B people, 4M is 2% of their population, it would be similar to 700k deaths in the US. While yes it is a ton, think about what effect the lockdowns will have. Some have speculated that more people have died thus far in Shanghai from the lockdowns than from Covid itself.

> Some have speculated that more people have died thus far in Shanghai from the lockdowns than from Covid itself.

Which only shows how few covid deaths China has had.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by birdyrooster »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

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I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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How could you possibly believe that?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by whimsicalism »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #89
whimsicalism wrote: post #86

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> fundamentally change the situation for people who are very vulnerable to COVID-19 the situation is already fundamentally changed in terms of treatment efficacy than what it was in 2020.

So what's China waiting for (have 4 million deaths been averted by zero covid, or have they been delayed?). Is it still 4 million or not anymore? I guess they are delayed and will be averted in future? Maybe there will be further tech shift, or a healthcare surge? I suppose what I am trying to express is that zero covid is not a viable long-term strategy, it's a thing you do to buy time for your actual strategy, what…

China has done an awful job vaccinating their population - this is the real story that is being undercovered by the media, rather than trying to convince me that somehow their massive lockdown success is somehow actually a failure.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by xyzzy123 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #105
xyzzy123 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's China waiting for (have 4 million deaths been averted by zero covid, or have they been delayed?). Is it still 4 million or not anymore? I guess they are delayed and will be averted in future? Maybe there will be further tech shift, or a healthcare surge? I suppose what I am trying to express is that zero covid is not a viable long-term strategy, it's a thing you do to buy time for your actual strategy, what…

China has done an awful job vaccinating their population - this is the real story that is being undercovered by the media, rather than trying to convince me that somehow their massive lockdown success is somehow actually a failure.

Fair call.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by whimsicalism »

starky wrote: post #98
whimsicalism wrote: post #52

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Personally, it's going to take a lot more failure for me to be convinced that averting ~4 million deaths was somehow misguided in the long-term. It's interesting how much American media is trying to convince me otherwise as of the past few months.

The reality at the moment is that practically everyone is going to get Covid at some point, Delta and now Omicron are just too transmissible. The only practical way for their zero Covid policy to work was to shut down all people coming into the country before Omicron arrived. Eventually they are going to have to move to a strategy of managing the virus to minimize the load on their medical system and prevent as many…

Reality aside, there are millions of people in China who are alive today who would not be if they had followed the US' policy.

It is far too early to be calling that a failure.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by Workaccount2 »

whoevercares wrote: post #37
nradov wrote: post #26

There are rumors than President Xi has been using the coronavirus outbreak as a convenient excuse to knock the "Shanghai clique" down a few pegs. Supposedly he thought the local Shanghai leaders were getting a bit too popular, and insufficiently deferential to Beijing. He's terrified of seeing any alternative power centers develop.

Current leader of Shanghai Li Qiang is Xi’s best buddy since 20 years ago.. quite the opposite the plan might be from someone else to take Shanghai back

Et tu, Brute?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by mrfusion »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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Do you believe everything China tells you?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by oneoff786 »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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China’s numbers don’t mean shit.
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