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Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#101

Am I the only one that has an issue with a VPN that I can't self host? Presumably if Tailscale get's PWN'd or subpoenaed then your network is breached no?

Yes, Tailscale distributes public keys, and can add arbitrary nodes to anyone’s network.

Not that they do it, but the possibility is there, and one has to account for risks.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#102
post #49

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Indeed, 1Password is practically a utility at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really like the direction they're heading and they're solving some pretty tricky problems without compromising on security, predominantly in the enterprise domain. The experience is the same regardless of whether you're an enterprise user or a personal or family user. It's polished enough that my grandma can use it.

> I really like the direction [1Password] is heading I thought customers were complainingly loudly against their new direction of making 1Password an Electron app. Is that not the case? Note: I'm not a 1Password customer.

Modern 1password using Electron is sad in some respects, but hardly surprising. Even people who use Electron hate Electron. The real differentiating factor is those who understand why.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#103
post #71
post #20

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Of course the NFL would never allow a 7 minute commercial break, although I do believe that the cost is linear. A 60 second commercial's cost is simply 2x 30 second commercials. There's no reason to do anything differently, since in the end it doesn't matter if that 60 seconds are filled by one or two commercials (aside from making the ad sales team's job slightly easier by having one less spot to fill).

I think there are reasons why cost would be nonlinear. First, there's simply demand. The people who want to do 60s clearly have a reason that 30s won't work, so they may be willing to pay more (certainly they won't pay less). It's a different segmented market. There is a reason companies with lots of commercials tend to also be official sponsors of the Super Bowl. Second, practically it costs more. Ads are reshuffled…

> the action may resume at an indeterminate time.

This is not true. The commercial breaks in all US pro sports have a pre-determined length, and the game action will not resume until the broadcast has rejoined (outside of a mistake somewhere along the line). In the NFL, they have a countdown timer on the stadium scoreboard indicating how much time is left in the commercial break, and even a dedicated guy who stands on the field next to a referee, talking to the TV truck to confirm when the broadcast has rejoined.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#104
post #29

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Tailscale is for accessing your own devices, it's not a general purpose VPN service. Anonymity is not a factor.

The title of the article from Tailscale is "...to fix the Internet"... if it was "only" about "your own devices" then you are assuming they are thinking small.

You're assuming that they're thinking something completely outside of anything they've ever said, and something that nobody actually wants. Your assumption is the one that's out of left field, not mine.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#105
post #27

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From the website: What if we all just had a static IP address, and a DNS name? …and the address migrated around the world with you? …and you could connect to any of your devices no matter where they were? Does this not promote the destruction of anonymity on the Internet?

I think you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of what Tailscale does. It's all about accessing your own devices. You don't need or want anonymity in that case. They are not a general purpose VPN service, and can't even be used as one.

> They are not a general purpose VPN service, and can't even be used as one.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but this sounds like exactly what they are, with some functionality on top. It's what I use to VPN into my LAN from outside, and it's pretty general purpose from where I stand.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#106
post #66

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This is kind of overstated. Even if everyone went IPv6 and gave every device a public IP address, pretty much every network would have a firewall that behaved just like NAT.

Yeah, no one is going to allow unsolicited inbound connections even without NAT so you still have to have something to hook up the two ends in a P2P setting.

> Yeah, no one is going to allow unsolicited inbound connections even without NAT so you still have to have something to hook up the two ends in a P2P setting.

Sure they are. All home routers that I'm aware of allow for port forwarding so folks can self-host a service: perhaps a game server (e.g., Minecraft), web, e-mail, etc.

It's just going forward you can set up a separate subnet to put your gear in (especially if you get multiple /64 subnets from your ISP). You can have a DMZ, and use either the router- and/or host-level firewall to dictate which connections are allowed.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#108
post #30

They are open source too: https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale edit: Only the client is open source. See clarification below.

The clients are. The control server, which is the bit that Tailscale host, is not. There is an open source alternative called headscale [0]. The main downside is that you'll need to run it. The closed source centralised control server has other potential issues though, and it ends up being up to the user to decide what's the right balance of security vs convenience. [0] https://github.com/juanfont/headscale

Thanks for clarifying. I did not know that.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fixing the internet" == you can communicate with computers that you want to communicate with, and not with others.

"Fixing the internet" == computers that mutually consent to communicating with each other are able to communicate with each other

"Fixing the internet" == computers whose _owners_mutually consent to communicating with each other are able to communicate with each other

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

#110
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clients are. The control server, which is the bit that Tailscale host, is not. There is an open source alternative called headscale [0]. The main downside is that you'll need to run it. The closed source centralised control server has other potential issues though, and it ends up being up to the user to decide what's the right balance of security vs convenience. [0] https://github.com/juanfont/headscale

To be clear, headscale is an alternative to the control server, compatible with Tailscale clients.

Yes, sorry if my phrasing was confusing. Thanks for clarifying.
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