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Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by eatonphil »

gigatexal wrote: post #99
eatonphil wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same setup but I can appreciate that not every dev out there has or wants the same setup as me. :)

That's fair... but do we need venture backed terminals like warp.dev?

No one forces you to use their product and given Linux and GNU's raison d'etre and success it's hard to imagine any commercial product ever could become a monopoly in devtools.

So after that I'd look at: historically has a venture capital firm ever funded innovation? And I think the answer is yes.

So worst case they have a spyware product you don't need to use. Best case they actually innovate.

I'm cool with letting that play out.

Not that I think this thread on HN or my opinion makes any difference to what these companies do/don't do. :)

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by georgia_peach »

summo wrote: post #32

Today, people like to collect data in all possible variations. The data itself can be sold, but equally they show that they can do it. so at best they can secure an order for data storage.

A data probe? One that high value targets will install themselves? Poppycock! How dare you besmirch the industry with such unseemly accusations, sir!? ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by 0des »

jrh206 wrote: post #78
jen20 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not negative to state the facts - all of those things are true.

The point is that you can choose which facts to present. In any case, “(badly)” is clearly an opinion and not a fact.

it is indeed a fact. if it isnt, show one that does it well.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by gigatexal »

eatonphil wrote: post #101
gigatexal wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair... but do we need venture backed terminals like warp.dev?

No one forces you to use their product and given Linux and GNU's raison d'etre and success it's hard to imagine any commercial product ever could become a monopoly in devtools. So after that I'd look at: historically has a venture capital firm ever funded innovation? And I think the answer is yes. So worst case they have a spyware product you don't need to use. Best case they actually innovate. I'm cool with letting…

You make some fair points. Let's see what happens.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by 0des »

cookiengineer wrote: post #34
pikaynu wrote: post #18

The inflow of new engineers which are not so familiar with traditional tools like a basic terminal and a text editor. That was all which was needed to write software. Most of the software stack was quite flat back then. Today, the way everyone starts is by installing a bunch of tools, frameworks and an IDE to navigate through those tools. Even a simple web page requires to install 100MBs of dependencies. Trying to le…

> An analogy would be, vim purists with 0 config vs people who have elaborate config I find this pretty offensive. I have a vim config that automated my workflows, and integrated linters and build tools etc...and I am using Linux based systems for over 22 years now. While I consent with the rest of your comment, I think that most people don't want to deal with shitty syntaxes that are less memorable than they should…

> I find this pretty offensive.

First of all stop what you are doing. This is about vim configs, it is not this serious.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by 0des »

nnoitra wrote: post #43
hestefisk wrote: post #41

Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it…

Unix is shite. Typing arcane commands in the terminal only illustrates the IQ (low) of those that wrote it!

> Unix is shite.

How dare you, I'm telling

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by georgia_peach »

warkanlock wrote: post #10

it's one of those things that makes me want to quit technology, people get bored out of their minds and try to reinvent the wheel instead of doing something useful

Compared to docker-wrangling, ML grinding, & dodging the latest kick-in-the-nuts from appstores/browsers/search engines/cloud providers, re-inventing the VT-220 sounds pretty sweet!

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by 0des »

evgen wrote: post #16
throwaway4good wrote: post #4

What is their business model? How could you possibly make money creating a new terminal?

Sell user data that you smuggle out as 'telemetry' or justify as 'learning what our users want/need.'

I can't wait for the first exploits on this data. It's going to be a gold mine, and I'm here for it.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there so many companies trying to reinvent the terminal (badly)?

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Post by georgia_peach »

KSPAtlas wrote: post #52
hestefisk wrote: post #41

Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it…

What about plan9? If the guys at Bell Labs didn't understand UNIX I'd be worried...

I wouldn't call that a re-invention UNIX as much as a serendipitous streamlining of it. At the rate features are being added to Linux, I wonder how long before it collapses under its own weight, and these passion projects like plan9, serenity os, redox, etc. take center-stage to pick up the pieces.
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