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Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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Medicated AD(H)D of Hacker News, did your medication (please specify) influence your personality? If so how?

I started adderall a few weeks ago after a vary recent diagnoses at 30 years old. It affected my personality in the sense that my wife claims that I now seem interested in what she has to say, I no longer get angry at the smallest things, I have patience with my son, and I don't get so overwhelmed that I regularly want to curl up in a ball and cry. Otherwise, I'm the same me. Just functioning and less pissed off or a…

Pay extra attention to your gums

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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The author really does not do a great job, here, at least in saying something sensible as a response to DeBoer's piece. The core premise seems to be that: > I find it so very irritating that there is no term for my so-called ⸢attention deficit disorder⸣ that does not have the word “disorder” baked into it. I know what a disorder is, and this isn't one. But the author then argues against a strawman: > Why does any dev…

If the authors life is not being impacted by his ADHD then he does not have ADHD. The clinical diagnosis for a mental illness is that it impacts your life in a negative way. His attention deficit does not impact his life in a negative way, therefore it’s not a disorder. The author frankly does not know what he’s talking about. And, clinically, he does not have ADHD. I have a mood disorder (NPSLE). I am on permanent d…

> The clinical diagnosis for a mental illness is that it impacts your life in a negative way. His attention deficit does not impact his life in a negative way, therefore it’s not a disorder.

In my experience, I noticed most the negative impacts caused by the disorder were actually due to how I was treated by others for the negative impact my disorder caused in their lives (real or perceived).

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wondering what your true potential looks like since adhd is treated with amphetamine which is essentially a performance enhancing drug that boosts your focus/awareness/intensity. it's probably dangerous to think of your medicated self's potential as being truer than your natural self's. seems like a trap.

Yep, just like someone who takes insulin for their diabetes should not refer to themself on insulin as "their true self".

the trap in your example would be following the true scotsman fallacy into believing that you need your insulin to survive/thrive - which could be true in the case of diabetes, so not just like.

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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A lot of people using "ADD," should know that it doesn't exist anymore. Now it's all diagnosed as ADHD with three sub types: combined (the most common), hyperactive, and inactive. "ADD" aligns with the inactive type. Anyway...

There's a perspective in some ADHD circles (and likely other mental health circles) that the concept of neurodiversity/neurodivergent are not the correct framing for living with ADHD. It follows this idea that when people highlight (or unmask) the parts of ADHD that make them quirky or entertaining to society, they are not revealing the _very negative_ symptoms of ADHD that are extremely debilitating. The proliferation of sound bite videos that portray ADHD in a very positive light on TikTok, ADHD memes, etc. gloss over the dark realities of ADHD. My personal belief is that while it's good to help people understand some of the more lighthearted ADHD symptoms, it's important that we share even the negative aspects. Of course, negative things don't get engagement (as the author states when he gets to mentioning a battle with depression).

TikTok isn't covering things like ADHDers' propensity to lose their jobs due to poor performance, the financial ruin from overspending and money mismanagement, poor physical health and wellbeing, likelihood to have comorbid depression and anxiety, missing out academic/professional opportunities, fewer if any meaningful relationships because of social disorder symptoms attributed to ADHD. You rarely, if ever, see social media ADHDers talk about how ADHD affects something like dental health because of the "out of sight, out of mind" effects and the inability to form healthy hygiene habits because there are no immediate consequences (the "now or not now" mental modes). How getting a restful night's sleep is a rare delight because of ADHD's ability to delay sleep. You'll never hear them talk about how ADHD people have a significantly shorter life expectancy than the general population--some studies calculating it by as much as 20 years.

These are all very negative, debilitating pieces of ADHD that get glossed over by modern social media movements of the quirky/neurodivergent ADHD crowd. Even this author doesn't really dive into the dirty pieces.

This is a long one, but all of that said: I have ADHD. I was diagnosed at 8 years old. Finally, got on stimulants for the first time as an adult and my life's trajectory turned around in a just few months. I still struggle with all the negative things that come with ADHD. But I believe that ADHD is both a blessing and a curse; that I can personally celebrate the parts that make me quirky and bring me joy and also be aware of the negative effects it has on me and on my ability to function in modern society. I do see it as a disability, but not as a hindrance. The more I learn to accommodate it for myself the better off I'm going to be long-term.

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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Wow, really nice article that gives practical examples of what ADD/HD looks like. I am not officially diagnosed, but I am 99% sure ADD/HD is something I have coped with my entire life. This has come up only recently with the pandemic forcing my schedule to change, and I started to realize how much the "9-5 routine" was keeping my train on its tracks and hiding any semblance of an attention disorder. It's really inter…

> wondering what your true potential looks like since adhd is treated with amphetamine which is essentially a performance enhancing drug that boosts your focus/awareness/intensity. it's probably dangerous to think of your medicated self's potential as being truer than your natural self's. seems like a trap.

I'd really encourage you to read up on how stimulants affect people with ADHD. It is quite the opposite of "performance enhancing" that you're implying here.

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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The part I hate most today is that if you relate to a video on ADHD/DID/Depression/Schizophrenia/etc, you will be fed the content until you convince yourself you have a “character trait”. That’s a serious problem with long term effects on society. I’m very sure I sit somewhere on the spectrum and have depressive disorder markers as well. But the last thing I want to do is to promote these traits. I am not proud of th…

Can you please stop with the "candy" trope?

Here in the UK, ADHD drugs are controlled substances. They can only be prescribed as by registered psychiatrists as part of ongoing treatment with patient monitoring. There are not enough doctors qualified to do this, and as a result people who need the treatment are facing year-long queues.

Don't get medical advice from TikTok, and don't form an opinion of a mental disorder and its treatment from TikTok either. The "have you tried mental health walk?" thing is as infuriating as cancer patients getting "have you tried essential oils and yoga?"

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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The author really does not do a great job, here, at least in saying something sensible as a response to DeBoer's piece. The core premise seems to be that: > I find it so very irritating that there is no term for my so-called ⸢attention deficit disorder⸣ that does not have the word “disorder” baked into it. I know what a disorder is, and this isn't one. But the author then argues against a strawman: > Why does any dev…

The "neurodiversity" viewpoint here is that what we call "ADHD" is part of the natural variation in how human brains work, and that it's a category error to think of it as a malfunction to be repaired, but rather as a difference to be accommodated. That accommodation may or may not be via medication and therapy, but that shouldn't necessarily mean that the underlying neurological state is a diseased one. A good analo…

You're right, defining a "disorder" is hardly a boolean question. ADHD has been studying extensively and there is substantial evidence for biological origins. For one, heritability very high, reported to be somewhere between 0.75 and .9, only slightly less than traits such as height.

Significant differences in brain neurophysiology are well-documented in ADHD (vs. non-ADHD people), and show genesis of the condition is multi-factorial. Calling ADHD a "disorder" implies the condition has physiological origins but is not attributable to a narrow/distinct range of factors like a condition termed a "disease" (such as viral illness, etc.).

The issue of diagnosis conceptually reflects a state where "malfunction" and "maladjustment" or "maladaptation" coincide. IOW malfunction is relevant when it's maladaptive, that is lacks fitness to a problem-space. In a computer application a bug (malfunction) can lurk undetected as long as the code containing the error is not invoked. But when some refactoring exposes the bad code to invocation, that code is maladaptive and the result is dysfunction of the application.

An example is an ADHD individual with trouble prioritizing who takes longer than peers to complete tasks. Not a problem when deadlines are minimal. But thrust into a role where timely performance is required risks failure, loss of a job, etc. The individual's malfunction is then maladaptive, which could prompt the person to seek help to mitigate malfunction and improve adaptability to realities of employment.

Consequently there's no across the board right or wrong answer to the "correct" way to regard ADHD characteristics. Also I agree with you that "mental illness" is a misleading term that could profitably be expunged from our vocabulary. However were that to happen the conditions that are labeled as such are still very real and will in many cases continue to need treatment regardless of the labels we apply.

Re: Mental illness, attention deficit disorder, and suffering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the authors life is not being impacted by his ADHD then he does not have ADHD. The clinical diagnosis for a mental illness is that it impacts your life in a negative way. His attention deficit does not impact his life in a negative way, therefore it’s not a disorder. The author frankly does not know what he’s talking about. And, clinically, he does not have ADHD. I have a mood disorder (NPSLE). I am on permanent d…

> The clinical diagnosis for a mental illness is that it impacts your life in a negative way. His attention deficit does not impact his life in a negative way, therefore it’s not a disorder. In my experience, I noticed most the negative impacts caused by the disorder were actually due to how I was treated by others for the negative impact my disorder caused in their lives (real or perceived).

> The DSM-5 defines a mental disorder as a syndrome that causes significant disturbance in behavior, emotion, and cognition. These disorders are also usually accompanied by significant distress that affects a person's work, school, and social relationships.
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