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This the military, they use ADA.
...which, jokes aside, is safer than Rust.
Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Navy physician who has dealt with COVID and fatigue, I think the chronic low pay contributes to a lack of people which leads to overwork, exhaustion, a sort of "this is my lot in life" acceptance of mild to moderate depression. And you get to the point you just look away for your own sanity. Healthcare workers get paid less as you get closer to the coasts. And military gets only very modest pay adjustments for h…
The Navy pays officers very generously across all fields, EXCEPT medicine and JAG. URL JOs will take a pay cut for the first several years (at least) after leaving for the civilian sector. I never, ever heard a URL peer get out because of financial reasons. FWIW, BAH (pay for housing that is tax-free) is $4000 for an O-6 in Point Loma v. $2777 in Offut, NE. Seems to be aggressive adjustment, no? Enlisted pay might be…
For Medical and JAG, are VA benefits (ie paid long-term care) worth the loss in income over the longer term?
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought the military had exemptions on EPA compliance for stuff. For example: US Army tanks use depleted uranium projectiles. Those are definitely not good for the environment.
The military must follow all EPA regulations as a general order, but someone at a high enough rank in the pentagon can make an exception for a specific rule/reg.
I'm scratching my head as to why someone in the pentagon wouldn't do this for hull maintenance on seagoing vessels. It seems rather important.
Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Navy physician who has dealt with COVID and fatigue, I think the chronic low pay contributes to a lack of people which leads to overwork, exhaustion, a sort of "this is my lot in life" acceptance of mild to moderate depression. And you get to the point you just look away for your own sanity. Healthcare workers get paid less as you get closer to the coasts. And military gets only very modest pay adjustments for h…
The Navy pays officers very generously across all fields, EXCEPT medicine and JAG. URL JOs will take a pay cut for the first several years (at least) after leaving for the civilian sector. I never, ever heard a URL peer get out because of financial reasons. FWIW, BAH (pay for housing that is tax-free) is $4000 for an O-6 in Point Loma v. $2777 in Offut, NE. Seems to be aggressive adjustment, no? Enlisted pay might be…
You can't just look at enlisted pay broadly. You have to look at the troops that earn BAH and those who don't. Both are underpaid, but those who don't get BAH are inundated in very poor base services and are usually on the clock 24/7: https://veteran.com/2022-military-pay-charts/
Another point that I haven't seen brought up here is that usually the people who paint ships are school washouts. They couldn't get through school and have no classification, so this is what they do. I wasn't in the Navy but this is always what I heard.
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#105This looks like the same phenomenon as the crisis in staffing nurses that was discussed here the other day. Careerist, indifferent management giving the people on the front line inadequate resources and then blaming them when things start to look shabby, or when someone dies. Scapegoating the people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, who are tired, inadequately trained, and inured to a climate of normaliz…
As a Navy physician who has dealt with COVID and fatigue, I think the chronic low pay contributes to a lack of people which leads to overwork, exhaustion, a sort of "this is my lot in life" acceptance of mild to moderate depression. And you get to the point you just look away for your own sanity. Healthcare workers get paid less as you get closer to the coasts. And military gets only very modest pay adjustments for h…
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
This bias is a consequence of what Kahneman called “What You See Is All There Is.” It’s bad logic and ascribing signal when it’s actually projections of the observer. That isn’t to say there is no effect - people might start to see themselves as more disciplined if they look sharp. “Look good, play good”, as my coach used to say.
> It’s bad logic Is it so far stretched to say that a person who is in good shape, takes proper care about his hygiene and stuff like hair/beard might be a more self disciplined and organized person compared to someone that is lazy about his hygiene, physical condition and appearance?
That "logic" could also be reversed just as easily. Someone with poor professional skills might feel more pressure to compensate by "looking sharp". Neither is actually "logic" but just post hoc justification of bias that generalizes a subset of cases without any data on their prevalence when in reality, that prevalence is highly contextual.
In my experience, some people place a high priority and gain significant pleasure from looking sharp, while others consider it a chore and would prefer to minimize the time spent on it. Thus a significant part of the "looking sharp" signal is measuring preference and priorities rather than level of successful execution.
In addition, issues with hygiene are more common in people with ADHD, autism etc so if you over apply this metric you may end up excluding some very smart, neurodiverse individuals.
If you see a rundown looking restraunt, you might conclude it isn't worth trying, but you'd be better off looking at how busy it is or the reviews. A rundown restraunt with a line out the door is probably gonna be better than a sharp looking restraunt with no customers, especially if they are side by side (in the same context). Beyond that, if I see a sharp restraunt and a dingy restraunt, both with lines out the door, I will pick the dingy one because I see that as signaling higher confidence that the consistent quality of their food will drive all the repeat business they want.
Edit: I'd also point out that "smart looking" is intricately tied into social class status signaling in many contexts.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Navy pays officers very generously across all fields, EXCEPT medicine and JAG. URL JOs will take a pay cut for the first several years (at least) after leaving for the civilian sector. I never, ever heard a URL peer get out because of financial reasons. FWIW, BAH (pay for housing that is tax-free) is $4000 for an O-6 in Point Loma v. $2777 in Offut, NE. Seems to be aggressive adjustment, no? Enlisted pay might be…
For Medical and JAG, are VA benefits (ie paid long-term care) worth the loss in income over the longer term?
You will never know. That is the great thing about “benefits”, the recipient has no control or knowledge.
The employer, or politicians, 5, 10, 20 years from now can cut funding and reduce access from MDs to NP/PA, or only cover certain meds, or require excessive prior authorizations to dissuade using the healthcare.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Navy pays officers very generously across all fields, EXCEPT medicine and JAG. URL JOs will take a pay cut for the first several years (at least) after leaving for the civilian sector. I never, ever heard a URL peer get out because of financial reasons. FWIW, BAH (pay for housing that is tax-free) is $4000 for an O-6 in Point Loma v. $2777 in Offut, NE. Seems to be aggressive adjustment, no? Enlisted pay might be…
You can't just look at enlisted pay broadly. You have to look at the troops that earn BAH and those who don't. Both are underpaid, but those who don't get BAH are inundated in very poor base services and are usually on the clock 24/7: https://veteran.com/2022-military-pay-charts/ Another point that I haven't seen brought up here is that usually the people who paint ships are school washouts. They couldn't get through…
Good point RE: sailors in barracks, who don’t receive BAH.
I was a submariner, so I’m not certain who ends up chipping paint on surface ships. Submarines don’t get the people who washed out of schools.
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#109From vague memory - didn't the USN have to more-or-less write off some major warships in the past decade or few, because the contractor who built them did so to "fresh water only" spec's - then weaseled, lawyered, and lobbied his way out of responsibility for the ships being utterly unfit for purpose?
I don't think so? The only major warships the Navy operates are carriers (Nimitz, Ford), amphibious assault ships (Wasp, America), cruisers (Ticonderoga, the last of which was commissioned in 1994), and destroyers (Arleigh Burke, forthcoming DDGX). Ignoring the LCSs as a complete cluster#_$&. Maybe you're thinking of the Spearhead-class EPFs [0] and the issue with high sea states? But those were designed from the gro…
Probably the USS Independence - https://www.wired.com/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-bra...
Not a capital ship, nor quickly written off - but 2,300 tons (light) is between the Allen M. Sumner- and Gearing-class (late WWII) destroyers. And "forgot that aluminum hull + steel propulsion hardware + salt water = galvanic corrosion" is a "never bothered to calculate GM" (the metacentric height) level of cluster#_$&'ing incompetence for any shipbuilder.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Navy physician who has dealt with COVID and fatigue, I think the chronic low pay contributes to a lack of people which leads to overwork, exhaustion, a sort of "this is my lot in life" acceptance of mild to moderate depression. And you get to the point you just look away for your own sanity. Healthcare workers get paid less as you get closer to the coasts. And military gets only very modest pay adjustments for h…
The Navy pays officers very generously across all fields, EXCEPT medicine and JAG. URL JOs will take a pay cut for the first several years (at least) after leaving for the civilian sector. I never, ever heard a URL peer get out because of financial reasons. FWIW, BAH (pay for housing that is tax-free) is $4000 for an O-6 in Point Loma v. $2777 in Offut, NE. Seems to be aggressive adjustment, no? Enlisted pay might be…
>JAG
>URL JOs
>BAH
if only i knew what any of those words mean. Why haven't people learned to describe their abbreviation unless they already pre-established that the audience will definitely know them?