A good article, except for one big thing: this is not an end user, rather a direct competitor. Public articles that criticize competitors always run me the wrong way. I haven't used Heroku in a few years, but it has served (using the Hobby plan) as a really low cost way to host web apps. I have been reading through the comments on alternative providers, and even though I haven't used it, GCP's Cloud Deploy looks inte…
Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)
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Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)
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What do you imagine their home-grown offering would have over using S3 directly?
I thought the entire point of Heroku was that it wrapped up existing essential basic AWS offerings into a more manageable package? I’d rather not have to manage a side account for AWS, and set up the connections to it and things. I’d rather it was just there, like their database.
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#103For all heroku's frustrations (and I agree with all of them in the article), it is still the only thing that "just works" for a standard monolith web app. Heroku is not cheap, but it is still cheaper than a couple full time employees + aws. It is really too bad they aren't innovating - they are just burning up their 10 year lead in the space. I wouldn't start a new project on Heroku - not because of the cost, but bec…
It blows my mind that they don't provide an object store. Almost all web apps in my experience need an object store of some kind.
Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)
#104For all heroku's frustrations (and I agree with all of them in the article), it is still the only thing that "just works" for a standard monolith web app. Heroku is not cheap, but it is still cheaper than a couple full time employees + aws. It is really too bad they aren't innovating - they are just burning up their 10 year lead in the space. I wouldn't start a new project on Heroku - not because of the cost, but bec…
It's honestly strange how no one has eaten their lunch yet. Besides the extra services they now offer (which you aren't required for hosting a simple app), you could probably have a team bang out the basics in a few months. You could even just be a layer on top of AWS and probably make profit from not many users, as long as you're cheaper.
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#105As someone that was there at Heroku after the acquisition, I don't think you can state that since the acquisition it's been consistently downhill. There isn't much debate that things have stagnated in the last 5-7 years which is a longer story on why probably. Some examples of innovation that happened and were launched after the acquisition: buildpacks (at the time of acquisition Heroku was still Ruby only), Heroku P…
I think the most interesting part of this is the PaaS disaggregation. Heroku built an exceptionally good Postgres service. They could not have done that with multiple DBs. Even their redis is pretty meh. People like us (Fly.io) will end up either building very mediocre DB offerings or collaborating with DB companies (like yours: https://www.crunchydata.com/products/crunchy-bridge/ ) to ship stuff that's substantially…
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#106We're big Heroku customers; despite that, I largely agree with the points in this article and there's a voice in the back of my head asking every few months "is this worth it?" Whenever I research the new crop of Heroku clones (the one being hawked here, and others) the pitch is always "it's just like Heroku but you can run it in your own cloud". It's mind-boggling to me that none of the clones understands that I DON…
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#107First off, I would strongly disagree with the idea that Heroku post-acquisition was stagnant. As well-said elsewhere, tons of product was shipped to industry-best standards: postgres/dataclips, Heroku Connect, buildpacks - as well as introduction of CI and preview apps. But it's clear that in the post-k8s and post infra-as-code world there's been a surge in new options for how teams manage their infra and DevOps tool…
I was just looking at AWS App Runner today and just thinking about how miserable it would be to figure out how to use AWS's proprietary build pipeline tools to replicate what I have with Heroku - and I've been using AWS forever - I just hate their UX, their docs, really every thing they do except the actual infrastructure services. So I was just thinking someone should build a product that gives me the Heroku CLI, pi…
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#108The year is 2022 and still no HTTP2 support. https://help.heroku.com/JAOCNZ25/does-heroku-have-plans-to-s...
Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)
#109We're big Heroku customers; despite that, I largely agree with the points in this article and there's a voice in the back of my head asking every few months "is this worth it?" Whenever I research the new crop of Heroku clones (the one being hawked here, and others) the pitch is always "it's just like Heroku but you can run it in your own cloud". It's mind-boggling to me that none of the clones understands that I DON…
Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
AWS’s ECS Fargate with Aurora Serverless and AWS CA certificates is close.
But even that stuff is gonna be more configuration than Heroku, right? I wanna spend literally zero hours a month on server / dev ops, if I can manage it. I will pay for it and accept the constraints of simplicity.