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Re: Hello V-Lang

#101

Post by ylluminate »

Normille wrote: post #2

What a piss-poor excuse for an article! Reads like a press release; all puff and no down sides. Anyone with any familiarity with the V project will know it's been mired in controversy from day 1, thanks to the [often hyperbolic] claims of its inventor. All of which seems to have passed the author of this article by, as he just gushingly repeats them unquestioningly. Mind you, he does describe V as "all new", so maybe…

You'd probably enjoy this one better from a major magazine then: https://linuxformat.com/ - see page 94 in the May 2022 volume. Screenshot of ToC: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592106336838352923/96...

Re: Hello V-Lang

#102

Post by ylluminate »

sieste wrote: post #63
Normille wrote: post #2

What a piss-poor excuse for an article! Reads like a press release; all puff and no down sides. Anyone with any familiarity with the V project will know it's been mired in controversy from day 1, thanks to the [often hyperbolic] claims of its inventor. All of which seems to have passed the author of this article by, as he just gushingly repeats them unquestioningly. Mind you, he does describe V as "all new", so maybe…

HN is usually an incredibly welcoming and encouraging community. Any criticisms are honest, sometimes harsh and maybe on the overly sceptical side, but mostly decent and civilised ... Unless Vlang comes up. > What a piss-poor excuse for an article! The article is no different from many new-sexy-js-framework blog posts I see here, but these never get that amount of hate. Why is that?

Yeah some jealous "communities" poisoned the water. It's really sad.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#103

Post by ylluminate »

pwdisswordfish9 wrote: post #75
amedvednikov wrote: post #71

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It's hard to find a language farther away from V than PHP.

I dunno, the design philosophy seems ripped out of their (former, to their credit!) playbook. https://twitter.com/woketopus/status/1447150924846313475

Lol. You're not speaking the same English bub.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#104

Post by ylluminate »

Micoloth wrote: post #3
Normille wrote: post #2

What a piss-poor excuse for an article! Reads like a press release; all puff and no down sides. Anyone with any familiarity with the V project will know it's been mired in controversy from day 1, thanks to the [often hyperbolic] claims of its inventor. All of which seems to have passed the author of this article by, as he just gushingly repeats them unquestioningly. Mind you, he does describe V as "all new", so maybe…

> thanks to the [often hyperbolic] claims of its inventor To be fair.. I always see this in HN comments about V, and at this point it sounds just as a non-objective and prejudiced evaluation as the article is. I agree that the article should have presented some downsides. But to start a discussion, how about presenting some valid criticisms? Clearly people have worked on this project for a while. Have they completely…

Delivering. Fantastic community and contributions. Love them.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#105

Post by ylluminate »

lf-non wrote: post #6
Micoloth wrote: post #3

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> thanks to the [often hyperbolic] claims of its inventor To be fair.. I always see this in HN comments about V, and at this point it sounds just as a non-objective and prejudiced evaluation as the article is. I agree that the article should have presented some downsides. But to start a discussion, how about presenting some valid criticisms? Clearly people have worked on this project for a while. Have they completely…

Quite a bit of work has indeed gone into the language, and what has been accomplished is no mean feat, but the myriad open bugs [1] around core features of the compiler do not inspire confidence. It'd be better if the documentation reflected that the language was in an alpha state rather than touting stability guarantees etc. [1] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+lab...

Nice to see there are some small projects (program) that have been running for 2 years (backend services) written on very early V. Quite interesting insomuch that when you get something compiled that does what you want, it works very well.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#106

Post by ylluminate »

ruune wrote: post #59
amedvednikov wrote: post #58

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That's strange. All examples are compiled via CI on all systems.

Maybe that was an error on my end then, early in the morning lying in bed stuff. And iirc the UI library did say it was in an early stage or something like that. (I think you are the author, or at least involved in the language? I don't want to come off as simply bashing your language. Most people here seem to do enough of that... Definitely didn't try it out enough to have any opinion on the advanced features mentio…

Best recourse is usually pop into Discord chan into #v-ui-chat or #help and ask about your issue, unless it's a clear bug and then filing an issue first and then referencing it in Discord might be best.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#107

Post by ylluminate »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #18
lf-non wrote: post #6

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Quite a bit of work has indeed gone into the language, and what has been accomplished is no mean feat, but the myriad open bugs [1] around core features of the compiler do not inspire confidence. It'd be better if the documentation reflected that the language was in an alpha state rather than touting stability guarantees etc. [1] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+lab...

It's definitely not anyone's fault for not taking this seriously. I thought it was a gag and only these comments make me think it might possibly be a real language.

Definitely real and definitely awesome. Give it a try - it's very quick to compile from source (git clone; make - all in roughly under a few seconds).

Re: Hello V-Lang

#108

Post by ylluminate »

richbell wrote: post #77
amedvednikov wrote: post #19

If you'd like to check out more about V, here's the GitHub repo: https://github.com/vlang/v Very thorough documentation: https://github.com/vlang/v/blob/master/doc/docs.md One of the coolest latest projects is the Vinix OS, written fully in V: https://github.com/vlang/vinix It's a POSIX OS that already runs libc, bash, GCC, g++, and Doom.

For anyone not aware, this is the creator of V. It would be nice if you were upfront about this in your posts or profile, especially when you jump in to dismiss people's complaints about your project. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25512003

Yes, Alex is awesome - sincerely. I hate it with jackarses run around spewing crap about people without chatting or getting to know people by spending some time in the community.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#109

Post by ylluminate »

agumonkey wrote: post #98
Rochus wrote: post #97

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Problem? Is the communication not up to the author? And shouldn't people rather help out than just make demands on an open source project?

That is absurd. He's not saying "I have an idea, and with a bit of help we might reach extraordinary numbers", he claims "better faster leaner than everybody else".

Nice to see he's kept his word and following through as is the community. Really great and lovable group of folks. Sometimes there are cultural differentials, but everyone is really great and with a primary and essentially only rule of "be nice" - I think it's a breath of fresh air in this screwed up time.

Re: Hello V-Lang

#110

Post by ylluminate »

christophilus wrote: post #82
amedvednikov wrote: post #55

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Wow that shouldn't be the case! Can you link to the pg benchmark you did? We need to fix this asap.

Sure. I’ll open an issue tomorrow when I’m back at that machine.

Thank you. The db drivers do need some love and are going to get it soon, but it's been a relatively lower priority considering other areas of focus by community members.
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