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5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

do you mean it increased your running time?

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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This is called Pranayam. We are doing this in India since ages... Good to see that 'experts' from Western countries taking baby steps to learn. Good for you guys! Keep it up. Note 1: Some 'expert' took my comment on their ego and downvoted my comment. Guys, my comment was encouraging. Taking it on your ego is your personal choice.

What else do you believe the west is missing?

I'm a German with lots of interest in Yoga science ...

I'd say patience. And non-attachement.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Fun things to try with breathing: - When lightly exercising, close eyes and focus on breathing. Note effects on heart rate. - Get into an uncomfortable (but safe) position such as a deep squat, crab position, etc. Close eyes and focus on breathing. Note effects on feelings of discomfort, and effort to maintain the position.

when I'm completely relaxed after a breathing workout, I sometimes dont "feel" the need of breathing, for long periods, is that normal?

If by breathing workout you mean Wim Hof style hyperventilation, then yes. Hyperventilation causes hypocapnia, which reduces air hunger.

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Anecdote. My mother had asthma since age of 30 and my father developed high bp at age of 50. Mother had a very strict diet ( inhaler weren't popular in Indian middle class) and father was supposed to take a pill for life. They started following breathing exercises (Pranayam) as told by Indian yog Guru Ramdev on television for 30-60 mins a day and they have mostly controlled it now for last 18 years. For anyone search…

> For anyone searching on youtube, he and other gurus make lot of tall claims and say irrational things, sell snake oil and are in general against western medicines, you'll have to ignore it. That's the insidious thing about those gurus: they often couple genuinely healthful practices like mindful breathing and exercise and healthy diet with horrible things like snake oil remedies and religious intolerance - essentia…

Especially with Ramdev who's made an entire conglomerate in his name making all sorts of stuff from detergents to instant noodles to medicines, all of which use his reputation to promote their "healthy" status despite a lot of the ingredients just being bog standard and the same as any other product on the market and often plain inferior. My parents are sucked in completely and buy so many of their products

It's a shame that he turned so political and money hungry. A lot of his yoga and breathing techniques are simple and easy to follow and are genuinely helpful

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Anyone know if breath is also connected to specific body parts? Really crude contrived example to illustrate what I mean: deep breathing affecting the left arm, shallow breathing affecting the right arm?

I always felt there must be some connection but never really understood how to even investigate. I definitely noticed that certain deep breathing was extraordinarily useful for alleviating IBS symptoms... basically the physical expansion of the lungs (contracting the diaphragm) clearly physically pressed upon the intestinal tract and massaged it (this is personal experience, anecdotal)... I have always wondered if this principle was extendable further?

Everything I've seen about the lungs is always about what it does for oxygen/co2 regulation in the blood... feels like this really underestimates whats going on

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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> not necessarily meant to replace exercise

I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So what's the low-level mechanism by which exercise improves health in people but not in simple machines?

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Just for context, I posted this study since I was intrigued by this[0] recent HN comment about an anecdotal apnea training effect on weight and then came across this study. I'm using the Apnea Trainer app on iOS, but too early to say how it affects my weight.

I'm going to get a PowerBreathe device[1] as used here, since I am also dealing with hypertension.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30617118#30624918

[1]https://www.powerbreathe.com/product/powerbreathe-plus-mediu...

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

#108

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

Simple machines don't have internal processes that rebuild themselves to be stronger after wear and tear.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

My basic understanding is when we are strength training we are putting tiny tears in our muscle fibers. The body then uses protein to heal those tears and make the muscle fiber bigger as part of that process, allowing us to train even harder in the future.

Elastic bands are relatively just static objects.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

In human body, new cells are created every day which is not case with elastic band. Best anology could be economy. If you keep creating wealth and not spending one day you reach your limitations. Continously churning and creating gives boost to economy.
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