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Re: Why I quit this battle

#101

Post by rocqua »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #50
jolux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah he doesn't seem to understand DHCP or what the difference between a gateway or a modem is.

Yeah, not to mention that the part about > Then,, KevinDS on DSLReports was just a incredible ass to me. It was epic. I believe he also lied to me in PM when i tried to get him to help. I was already unhappy with the future that I was looking at. He then just said nasty things. I was done. Seems to be partially self-inflicted ? xymox1 wrote : > You know morons like me should not use Wireshark.... kevinds responded :…

> but the "moron" part is clearly mirroring his initial self-deprecating remark, rather than a direct insult.

Mirroring someone's self deprecating remark, adding an insult, and adding "sorry not sorry" is being an ass. Or at least, it takes a lot of familiarity before it is not being an ass.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#102

Post by lillecarl »

tovej wrote: post #77
legalcorrection wrote: post #74

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https://www.nme.com/news/tv/eu-netflix-other-platforms-slow-... There's a lot more to robust internet service than what you get on speedtest.net or in optimal conditions. Further, the internet speed statistics show that European internet service is on average slower than American service. It's great that you good service, but the point I'm making is that American service is on average faster and more robust, and we g…

I'm suspicious of this statement, what you count as Europe, and also of how you've focused on the mean (average), which is heavily affected by large outliers. The median feels more useful in cases like these. Also you haven't even cited your data source. But even if speeds were equivalent or better in the US, prices in the US are still multiples of European prices for the same service.

I'm equally suspicious, made even worse by stating completely factless things like "more robust".

Also what's available and what I'm purchasing is different. I'd pay about 35$ for uncapped 100/100 and that's enough for me. But everywhere where you can get 100 you can also get 1000 for maybe 90$ a month. I don't want 1000 because it's useless for my use case, and I don't have anything to prove so instead of wasting money I'm staying on 100, I think most people are because it's just enough. There's also 250 and 500 inbetween which some might get too.

This is Sweden, which is supposedly 50 Mbit behind the US (x for doubt)

Re: Why I quit this battle

#103

Post by lillecarl »

lillecarl wrote: post #102
tovej wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suspicious of this statement, what you count as Europe, and also of how you've focused on the mean (average), which is heavily affected by large outliers. The median feels more useful in cases like these. Also you haven't even cited your data source. But even if speeds were equivalent or better in the US, prices in the US are still multiples of European prices for the same service.

I'm equally suspicious, made even worse by stating completely factless things like "more robust". Also what's available and what I'm purchasing is different. I'd pay about 35$ for uncapped 100/100 and that's enough for me. But everywhere where you can get 100 you can also get 1000 for maybe 90$ a month. I don't want 1000 because it's useless for my use case, and I don't have anything to prove so instead of wasting mo…

I'd also like to remind you that we have something called net neutrality, so our isps aren't allowed to prioritize speedtesting services any different than anything else.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#104

Post by FroshKiller »

bayindirh wrote: post #95
FroshKiller wrote: post #87

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I thought "dark fiber" meant unused fiber. How can it be dark if you've got services running over it? Is there some other meaning in this context?

I used the term "dark" as in unshared, and as a result, you use it the way you like it. Also, the term looks like it has both meanings. Having a "dark fiber infrastructure" means having a web of unconnected fiber cables point to point, but since you connect your own devices to it, you don't have to share it with others. As a result, its presence and its state is only known to you (i.e. it's in the dark). I understand…

I understand better now, you are really applying "dark" to the infrastructure (which happens to have fiber-optic cable) rather than to the fiber itself. The infrastructure is figuratively dark, and the fiber is literally lit.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#105

Post by cupofpython »

walrus01 wrote: post #36
manacit wrote: post #29

I don't know the new context, but I will always be thankful to badmodems.com for highlighting the original Puma 6 issue. I was given a modem by my ISP that had a Puma 6 chipset and it was a nightmare - it would completely cut out multiple times per day, latency was all over the place, and it was a truly terrible experience. Doing a bit of digging I was able to short-circuit a lot of troubleshooting and replace the mo…

As an ISP anything that is a shared access, contended media like a copper coax segment (DOCSIS3) is a nightmare waiting to happen. The amount of problems that are caused by one person with a leaky/bad connector and line, or things that have gone screwed up at the RF modulation level of the cable plant between the cablemodems and the CMTS. Imagine hundreds, or thousands of houses out there all with 25+ year old coax j…

>25+ year old coax jacks in walls, 4-way splitters jammed into ceilings, leaky outdoor connectors that have been chewed on by squirrels, etc

all the above describes my apartment connection in Astoria. and the neighbors were DIY tapped into it too. At any given time I lived there there was an appointment scheduled or being scheduled to have a field worker try to fix the downtime issues. they never did and i moved out

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by jmbwell »

FroshKiller wrote: post #87
bayindirh wrote: post #58

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FTTx systems make copper almost non-existent. All copper in my city is replaced by fiber, and only copper is from the FTTx box in front of my apartment to my flat. Eeerything (landline, internet, IPTV, etc.) runs from a single, dark fiber. With cabling already in place and VDSL can reliably provide 5 units of bandwidth (where 4 units is used for download and 1 unit is used for upload, e.g. 32/8 mbps), with a theoreti…

I thought "dark fiber" meant unused fiber. How can it be dark if you've got services running over it? Is there some other meaning in this context?

It’s dark in that the entity who purchased and installed it is not yet using it. Telcos install big multi fiber bundles, then actually use only a few strands. The rest are dark, waiting for growth or expansion or to be used as backups. You can lease those and light them up yourself until the telco needs them back.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#108

Post by salawat »

lillecarl wrote: post #103
lillecarl wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm equally suspicious, made even worse by stating completely factless things like "more robust". Also what's available and what I'm purchasing is different. I'd pay about 35$ for uncapped 100/100 and that's enough for me. But everywhere where you can get 100 you can also get 1000 for maybe 90$ a month. I don't want 1000 because it's useless for my use case, and I don't have anything to prove so instead of wasting mo…

I'd also like to remind you that we have something called net neutrality, so our isps aren't allowed to prioritize speedtesting services any different than anything else.

Net neutrality went out the window the moment Net backbone operators reached for DPI (Deep Packet Inspection), traffic shaping, and QoS (some workloads get prioritized over others).

It's a beautiful ideal to reach for, but it's expensive, because it implies actually investing in infrastructure instead of exec bonuses.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by lillecarl »

salawat wrote: post #108
lillecarl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also like to remind you that we have something called net neutrality, so our isps aren't allowed to prioritize speedtesting services any different than anything else.

Net neutrality went out the window the moment Net backbone operators reached for DPI (Deep Packet Inspection), traffic shaping, and QoS (some workloads get prioritized over others). It's a beautiful ideal to reach for, but it's expensive, because it implies actually investing in infrastructure instead of exec bonuses.

I think that's what we're doing in Sweden and many parts of Europe. I have 1-2 ms to Cloudflare within Stockholm, had 5-6ms 340km away, I highly doubt my traffic goes though inspection steps on the way.

We're also apparently building out train infrastructure quite extensively in Europe, and when you lay down train tracks you lay every other piece of infra down with it.

I'm all for private actors and all that, but not when the actors are allowed to pay politicians to not regulate them.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#110

Post by salawat »

_8j50 wrote: post #94
_8j50 wrote: post #66

As a default, you should not consider your gateway network device in your trusted zone. This is one of many reasons why you should VPN (including personal, commercial, Tor, whatever your cup of tea) all traffic elsewhere. You might think "that only moves the attack surface" , you are both right and wrong. Technically it is moved but you eliminate LAN based, wireless (think wpa) and untrusted network devices from the…

I forgot, VPNs are unpopular on HN because? Someone popular said so? Lol. This includes wireguard to your vps too if that helps. Anything but nude networking as I call it.

It's unpopular from my standpoint because it "necessitates/assumes the trustworthyness of an external provider of compute service". It being considered a default implies you waive 4th Amendment protections.

Whereas securing your own network keeps them intact within your infrastructure.

Cloud is not always the answer. Learning to network and compute, is.

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