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Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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You can buy Linux PCs that "just work", see e.g. System76, Dell, etc.

"Works" Linux in Dell does not always work with all their own docking stations. The effort half-assed at best.

Apple stuff also doesn't always work, see multiple external monitor fiasco.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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It is entirely dependent on hardware (much like MacOS). There are "zero configuration" distros like Fedora that work fine for these purposes. However, most distros don't really serve that niche; the Linux community is full of people who like to have their cake and eat it too. The idea of running Windows software and games on a Linux kernel like it's native software, the allure of tweaking things endlessly to your liking to iron out every complaint of your OS, the idea of building your own workflow instead of conforming to the presets that someone else uses... these are the things that long-time Linux users value. Accordingly, people make OSes to fill that void. It's obviously not for everyone, though; I know a lot of people who love the idea of free software, but balk at the idea of spending a couple hours writing a config for your desktop to get it juuuuuust right. I can't knock them, but if you're enamored with pedestrian OSes, then you're going to inevitably feel failed by Linux at every corner. It's not trying to be MacOS, and when it does... glares at GNOME ...the results don't usually "just work", or behave like a Mac for that matter.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly because we have no viable option. Most work places want to have one device for all staff. So the IOS team and the Android team and Marketing and API and JS team, all need one common system. Windows is out for the Rails/Elixir team, and IOS team need Macs. Marketing and Sales teams could live in Windows or Mac's The only Venn diagram match is Mac. Low powered or high powered, Mac is the answer. Honestly... Pack…

The ios being exclusive to MacOS is an Apple made problem though. So you're paying double in hardware cost because of some decision by Apple that no other platform may compile for ios.

Which is rewarding them for their choice to put you into the situation in the first place. So in a way they're right to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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Why is macOS so stable? Because macOS developers only have to concentrate on making macOS work well on one type of computer.

Windows and Linux distributions have a much harder task because they have to work on every PC, which means some features are simply missing or don't work because they don't know the exact hardware on which their PC will run, for example hibernation in Linux still doesn't work correctly because every computer works differently.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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This is a superficial ask, & laced with barbs. Linux does "just work", without "configuring anything", for many window managers, and it's rarely laced with bugs.

This attitude is mainstream accepted bullying. This belief in adequacy is always given the benefit of a doubt, we let the doubt & deficiency monster in, & expect nothing from it.

There's only one actual specific complaint- about screen recording, which I've seen be very good iut of the box. The rest is unconfirmable slander, is weakly expressed strongly held biases about how great and awesome macos is & how everything needs to be like that.

The cultural snubbing of Linux is such an undertold story. So many cultural forces tear at this project, & bemoan it. The support & maintenance burden is vast, yet so much does get done. But this winning hearts & minds campaign- no matter how many happy & joyous users their are, of all stripes & varieties, all it takes is a couple posts like this one, & everyone will register inadequacy & insufficiency. Even though many of our lived experiences dont match up to complaints, disbelief reigns.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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MacOS is owned by private comapny and hence run like a centralized dictatorship. Whereas Linux is FOSS, so largely decentralized without anyone coordinating the efforts in order to provide a nice, unified experience (Ubuntu is trying to do that, but they don't have nearly enough money).

Apple is a publicly owned company with shareholders.

I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't (my wording was poor).

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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My personal experience is that it's been like this for years already. I'm mostly using laptops (Dell XPS at the moment) with some Ubuntu-derived distro with KDE Plasma on top, bluetooth peripherals, external monitor, and external USB-connected drives, and it all just... works. Other people are reporting less good experiences, of course, so anecdotes aren't worth too much. I think the real answer is that macOS runs on…

And even then they struggle. macOS has plenty of bugs. It’s nowhere near as stable or reliable as say IOS.

They're pushing too many new features every year and the switch to ARM must have been a huge rewrite on top of that..

Really don't envy the pressure those devs must be under.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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I dunno, I'm forced to use Mac OS and I find it a pain in the ass. You might think it "just works" and you "don't have to configure it" but there's a ton of stuff I'd like to be able to configure, but can't.

Recently, I wanted to connect multiple VPNs (work, different data centers) and selectively resolve DNS queries / route traffic, but it doesn't seem possible without a lot of work.

I'm not crazy on the app-switcher's behaviour. I'd like to be able to cycle between all windows on all monitors, not "apps", or "windows from one app" or whatever. I need to install 3rd party software for window tiling. (In fairness, Rectangle is perfect). I hate the lack of decent Gnu binaries (but again, homebrew fixes that).

I hate finder. I want to browse to "/Users/raffraffraff/.config" and end up googling to find the arcane key combo to unhide them. Also, why the hell can't I just click on the path and type the path I want?

For years I've been using Xubuntu with plank (dock) at the bottom and an xfce panel at the top. Haven't had a crash in years. All hardware works. If something isn't too my liking I can change it if I wish. That's a feature, not a flaw.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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To people commenting how "well if you install Linux the right way on the right hardware like this here purpose-built laptop, it also 'just works'", what the OP is trying to underline isn't just the technical aspect of the OS booting flawlessly and recognizing its periphery, but also the whole experience that comes after. One special part of this, which is easily overseen, is the fact that Apple has poured hundreds of…

Apple has also gone to lengths to make it difficult to run an alternative OS on their hardware. Like the Facetime camera on the 2015+ MacBook. (Fair dues to the person who got that working).

One of my personal laptops is a 2015 MacBook Pro, and the camera driver is the only thing I had to manually screw around with. Everything else worked perfectly in every distro I threw at it.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#110

To people commenting how "well if you install Linux the right way on the right hardware like this here purpose-built laptop, it also 'just works'", what the OP is trying to underline isn't just the technical aspect of the OS booting flawlessly and recognizing its periphery, but also the whole experience that comes after. One special part of this, which is easily overseen, is the fact that Apple has poured hundreds of…

Apple has also gone to lengths to make it difficult to run an alternative OS on their hardware. Like the Facetime camera on the 2015+ MacBook. (Fair dues to the person who got that working). One of my personal laptops is a 2015 MacBook Pro, and the camera driver is the only thing I had to manually screw around with. Everything else worked perfectly in every distro I threw at it.

What was the issue with the webcam? I presume it's not a standard USB video device? Are you sure it's really only about making it harder to run other OSes on the hardware, and not because there was some actual feature gain from whatever the customization is? I know they have put effort into locking things down a lot with the newer models with the T2 chip, and while I don't agree with it it's obvious that there are real, actual security reasons for why they've done this, and not just being cheeky and petty-minded.

"Everything else [but the webcam] worked perfectly in every distro I threw at it" really doesn't rhyme with "gone to lengths to make it difficult to run an alternative OS on their hardware" in my ears. Surely they could've done plenty more than just booby trap the webcam.

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