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What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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post #96

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The pure GTK branch has been merged into master and I use right now with KDE (and Wayland). I had to adjust the font size but other than that, I didn't meet any issue.

That's amazing news! Does that mean one can expect this feature in Emacs 29? Edit: I just noticed that LWN has a news entry that explains just this – https://lwn.net/Articles/890405/ (short answer: yes).

Just like you said indeed!

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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post #37

> Adding right-click context menus is a natural extension to Emacs’s already-extensive support for the mouse (even if a lot of people don’t use it.) If emacs could support plan9 acme-style chords with custom commands then I'd probably use the mouse a lot more in it - acme convinced me that mousing around can be just as fast as being on the keyboard if the UX is well designed.

Is mouse-mouse enabled by default? Can the insertion point be moved by clicking in a particular location? As of recent versions of macOS, emacs isn't included by default. Last I tried, in terminal-mode emacs, the answer to the above questions seems to be no - with no reasonable explanation why this is the case. I'm more than willing to do everything else from the keyboard, but these are basic oversights that have yet…

On Debian with the distro package, I never even thought about mouse integration. (On the Xorg interface. So much basic stuff - not emacs stuff, but really basic stuff - has been moving into DEs that I don't think the bare console is usable anymore.)

The insertion point is moved by clicking and by using the scroll wheel (now that I've thought about it, maybe I should change that second one), clicking and dragging and double click change the selection.

I normally don't use the mouse, but for moving text between windows it's nice.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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post #20

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I'm not saying that yours is necessarily the case, of course I don't know, but I feel like lots of people that hold opinions like yours greatly underestimate the amount of functionality that comes with something like a Jetbrains IDE. It's not even about the editor itself, nor the graphical or UX stuff. It's the crazy level of introspection and of understanding your code those IDEs bring. My daily experience is just i…

I have used Jetbrains IDEA and Clion extensively to understand the other side. An IDEs heavy introspection isn’t necessary, and perhaps actively harmful towards writing and reading code. It’s rigid policy over tools like git is certainly actively harmful. If it takes an IDE to write your code, then it will likely take an IDE to read your code. They are tools that allow you to take shortcuts were you shouldn’t, and ro…

> If it takes an IDE to write your code, then it will likely take an IDE to read your code

I can agree with that. However, the real world is filled with random legacy projects, massive enterprise applications where a dozen developers came and went over a decade, quick-and-dirty MVPs and everything in between.

If you are paid to write well-crafted code that fits nicely within the limitations of your editor, that's great. But for the rest of us who have to deal with the realities of this industry, a helpful IDE makes it so much bearable.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

You may want to try using DavMail [1] for interfacing with Outlook. It is a reverse-proxy for email, so it talks to Outlook, and then mu4e can talk to DavMail directly. [1] http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

Alas, in some orgs you will need permission to authenticate davmail to Outlook. My IT department has not approved davmail.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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> It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains JetBrains Intellij Idea Community Edition is open source

Jetbrains products are only partially open source, which makes them non-free and still spyware due to telemetry we can’t see.

> Jetbrains products are only partially open source

You mean the repository at [0] contains code which is not licensed under an open source license? The only license mentioned at the root is Apache 2.

[0] https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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I found mac installation pretty straightforward, and works quite well. I've been using for work for few months now. brew tap d12frosted/emacs-plus brew install emacs-plus@28 --with-native-comp

I was talking about compiling. I use macports, and refuse to use brew (for a variety of philosophical reasons) so that option wasn't available to me. I often use the binary from https://emacsformacos.com/ but afaik it hadn't supported native compilation as yet. So I found some prebuilt binaries on github.

What are your issues with brew? Not starting an argument here but trying to understand better.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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I almost wish I never tried Emacs. Ignorance is bliss, and Emacs ruined all other text editors for me. There are absolutely areas that others do better, but the self-documenting “living program” nature is too much to give up; everything you ever need to know or do is a few keystrokes away.

How did you approach Emacs to make it such a valuable tool? I have tried to get started with Emacs a few times but the initial resistance has been too large

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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I almost wish I never tried Emacs. Ignorance is bliss, and Emacs ruined all other text editors for me. There are absolutely areas that others do better, but the self-documenting “living program” nature is too much to give up; everything you ever need to know or do is a few keystrokes away.

I’ve been using emacs on and off for about 20 years and I don’t really get the fanaticism. Org mode and magit and all these things are cool. I like that you can hack it. But — to me it never stops feeling like an ongoing project when you try to live your entire life in it.

I like it obviously otherwise I wouldn’t still be using it, but it will never exactly feel elegant to me. More like a good text editor and a hundred other tools all duct taped together.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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post #54
post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

Are you using viper or evil-mode often (or some other thing which gives emacs vi bindings, I think there are a couple)? Because navigating text with emacs gives me the emacs pinky, I'm wondering how folks deal with that. Transposed cpslck with ctrl?

The trick is to hit ctrl with the part of your hand where your pinky attaches to it. Now all you do is rotate your wrist slightly, and you hit ctrl. Doesn't work very well on flat/low-profile keyboards, doable with thinkpads, not at all possible on macbooks.
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