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Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

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Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#101
post #79

"Over the coming months, Spotify will work with Google’s product and engineering teams to build this new experience" It's so absolutely bizarre to announce something at this stage. I wonder what is prompting it.

Pretty standard Google playbook these days.

Instead of building something and then cancelling it later when it doesn't gain traction to get their PR win, they decide to cash in on the PR win upfront with a big partnership announcement, then cancel the product before building it if it doesn't gain sufficient traction, thus saving on engineering costs and streamlining the typical Google technical offering lifecycle.

Behind the scenes, Google usually gives the partnering company some pretty nice discounts. Usually no one does any engineering until someone else sees the PR and also wants in on this "exciting new feature" and they're the one actually beta testing the product that they thought the announced companies already used.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#102
post #60
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe costing 30% more isn't worth centralizing the subscriptions

I fully understand that I am... maybe closer to people here but in the grand scheme of things financially I am in a better state than most people. But so I was curious, I have $762 worth of subscriptions a year through Apple. So I could save $228.60 if they were all 30% less. To me that is worth it. But I would also like to point out, that many of the apps I am subscribed too. I am only subscribed too because it was…

What if there was another payment system available on iphone with similar subscription centralisation service, with only 10% fee? Would you use that instead?

IMO the main problem is the lack of competition. If Apple were forced to accept other payment platforms, you'd soon find the same service for cheaper.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#103

It has always seemed weird that if I use my Spotify account on my Android phone, iPad, and desktop, who gets a cut of my money depends on which one I use to set up billing.

Agreed. I mostly use Spotify on a Raspberry Pi using Spotifyd and a display driver I wrote myself, on Linux. Now who should get a cut of my subscription? Do I get any of it?

For services which exist and function perfectly well outside of the Google/Apple binary, why should they get any more than a nominal fee for hosting the app download?

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#104
post #102
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully understand that I am... maybe closer to people here but in the grand scheme of things financially I am in a better state than most people. But so I was curious, I have $762 worth of subscriptions a year through Apple. So I could save $228.60 if they were all 30% less. To me that is worth it. But I would also like to point out, that many of the apps I am subscribed too. I am only subscribed too because it was…

What if there was another payment system available on iphone with similar subscription centralisation service, with only 10% fee? Would you use that instead? IMO the main problem is the lack of competition. If Apple were forced to accept other payment platforms, you'd soon find the same service for cheaper.

I don't necessarily care that its Apple.

But the only reason that this works the way it does, is because a developer has to use it. If there really was a third party offering that was just as easy to use sure, why not. But I just don't see companies willingly making it easy to cancel a service without trying to send the customer through some retention workflow.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#105

Why do/should I, as a Spotify subscriber, care about this at all? I don't understand why there's so much fanfare around this. I feel like I'm missing something basic here...

I don't think there is much fanfare. Obviously Google and Spotify want to make a big deal out of this for when regulators come knocking, but as a Spotify user who pays directly to Spotify outside of Play Store, this news is nothing more at a mild irritation at them both patting each other's backs over nothing.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#106
> Together, we’ll work to innovate in how consumers make in-app purchases, deliver engaging experiences across multiple devices, and bring more consumers to the Android platform.

I wanna vomit. The fix is just deleting 3 lines of your policies. The world will innovate on its own. No need to limit innovation to a couple companies who are big enough to negotiate.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#107
Google sees the writing on the wall. Their billing monopoly is under threat, and is probably not going to last forever.

This situation looks like Google allowed Spotify to add their own payment system with some terms. The obvious one is that they need to keep Google's payment system alongside their own. A less obvious (but IMO likely) requirement may be that Spotify cannot offer a much lower price through their billing system to incentivize users to switch (100% assumption here).

From the outside, this looks like a pro-consumer move: consumers get more choices (even if the prices are the same). But the reality is (probably; I'm just assuming here) that Google still has the power to shove their billing system down developers' throats, since there aren't yet any laws or rulings to prevent it.

So even though the writing in this press release makes it seem like a pro-consumer move, I hope it doesn't take any momentum away from all of the antitrust lawsuits. Google's (and Apple's) monopolies need to end. In an ideal world, Spotify would add Google billing (and others) as options to attract more customers, not because Google is forcing them to.

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#109
keep in mind that it's not for everyone, it says: "pilot will allow a small number of participating developers"

it's also an agreement, so it's very likely that they are requiring price parity.

in that case the only benefit of picking a different payment processor for end users would be for they joy of typing their billing information again.

regardless, looks like a step in the right direction

Re: Spotify and Google Announce User Choice Billing

#110
post #74

If this was Spotify vs Google I’d take Spotify. If this was anything vs Apple I’d take Apple. That’s the ranking of trust I have as far as customer support goes. It’ll be a crap fest when match.com or some other atomic level shyster markets their way into sounding more reputable than they are.

I dislike Apple, and right now I wouldn't consider buying an Apple product again (I had an iPhone 1 ahead of most people in the UK). I spent the first ~5 years of my career developing on Android and I still use Android.

I agree with your payment hierarchy 100%.

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