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Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by Twixes »

ilyich wrote: post #99
nathell wrote: post #16

Like every other day, I was shopping this morning at my local bakery in Warsaw, Poland. As I was packing my purchases, a woman next in line after me ordered coffee in Ukrainian. (We have it lucky. Polish and Ukrainian are mutually intelligible to some extent, which enables basic communication even without knowing each other's languages.) I said, to no one in particular, "Do widzenia, слава Україні" as I was leaving.…

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Wołyń was horrific, but the Ukrainian people today are quite obviously not the same people as the banderites 80 years ago, the world has changed much since then. This rhetoric only serves Putin's interests, who must be quite displeased with how accepting Poles are of Ukrainian refugees.

PS I do wonder why your Polish is broken, it should be "banderowców którzy", not "banderówców które"

Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by p_l »

ilyich wrote: post #99
nathell wrote: post #16

Like every other day, I was shopping this morning at my local bakery in Warsaw, Poland. As I was packing my purchases, a woman next in line after me ordered coffee in Ukrainian. (We have it lucky. Polish and Ukrainian are mutually intelligible to some extent, which enables basic communication even without knowing each other's languages.) I said, to no one in particular, "Do widzenia, слава Україні" as I was leaving.…

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Because they are "not the same banderites". The modern use of the slogan managed to get heavily rehabilitated over years, also it originated considerably before conflicts (increased by polish fascists who effectively took over sanation government) led to massacres (which happened both ways, and similarly current polish government essentially does the same thing as Ukraine with Stepan Bandera, arguably longer - it started before they got into full power).

And well, we're next if Ukraine falls, or such is the feeling among considerable portion of polish people. Even pure self-interest makes it clear which way our support is going.

Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by redwood »

keybored wrote: post #78
redwood wrote: post #77

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Why?

Because geopolitics cannot be explained by some "clash of values" or good vs. evil conflict. That stuff only happens in fiction.

I see it as a useful simplification. To be more long winded about it is fine but the bottom line is we have to be willing to fight for what we have

Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by chupy »

ilyich wrote: post #93
chupy wrote: post #89

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It's quite ridiculous but are you trying to insinuate that she was a Nazi? By the same logic you are applying does it mean that everyone that uses the phrase Allahu Akbar (God is great) is also a terrorist?

What I am trying to explain is that "Slava Ukraine! Heroyam Slava!" is a direct calque from the German "Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil!". "Slava" literally means "Heil" ("hail" in English). "Hitler" is replaced with "Ukraine" and "Sieg" (victory) with "Heroyam" (heroes). This salute was coined and popularized by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators during WW2. Now it's up to you to decide whether everyone that uses the phrase Heil H…

Let's be frank here, both of us know what you are implying. Cutting excerpts of wikipedia without the context is a pretty valid disinformation tactic. Replacing words randomly also to suit your previous point is ridiculous.

Glory to the heroes of the country is also pretty common in the army in Romania, there is even a famous monument with this written on it: "Intru slava eroilor neamului" which means To the glory to the heroes of the nation. This monument was built after the first world war.

Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by unionpivo »

VictorPath wrote: post #53
Archelaos wrote: post #52

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Russia has a veto right only in the UN Security Council. For prosecution by the International Criminal Court (ICC) this is irrelevant. What matters is that Ukraine has accepted the ICC's jurisdiction over all alleged crimes committed on its territory since 20 February 2014.[1] The nationality of the perpetrator is irrelevant, and no one has immunity. [1] https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=pr1146&ln=en

> the International Criminal Court (ICC) The USA passed a law that its armed forces can invade the Hague if the ICC ever tried to charge the US. It shows the farce of all of this - fresh from murdering Afghanis, Iraqis, Somalis, Syrians, and by proxy Yemeni, Palestinians etc., the US presses fir a "court" to try Russia in some sanctimonious exercise that it can not be a subject of.

That doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to give Russia and Putin a free pass.

Two wrongs does not make a right.

That said, Russia just as USA have nukes, so Putin will never go to ICC, and its waist of time discussing it.

It might not be nice, just or fair but if you have nuke, you are for all intense and purpose immune, unless your own country prosecutes you or gives you ower.

Re: Kharkiv Rubyist during the war: We are still here

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Post by xwdv »

chupy wrote: post #89
ilyich wrote: post #87

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The modern response "Heroiam slava!" (Glory to the heroes!) appeared in the 1930s among members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). [0] The greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's Nazi allied OUN-B in April 1941. OUN actively participated in holocaust and other atrocities during WW2. [1] In other words, he roughly said "See you, Heil Hitler!" an…

It's quite ridiculous but are you trying to insinuate that she was a Nazi? By the same logic you are applying does it mean that everyone that uses the phrase Allahu Akbar (God is great) is also a terrorist?

It depends on the context. If you are on a bus and someone randomly stands and shouts Allahu Akbar, it would strike terror into those around them, so yes they could be a sort of terrorist, even if they aren’t actually about to blow themselves up.

But if you’re in a mosque, it’s not unusual to hear it exclaimed.

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