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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#101

Post by AlexCoventry »

crate_barre wrote: post #18
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

She left off "Galaxy-brains discuss whatever is most pertinent to their interests and goals." :-)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#102

Post by adamors »

paganel wrote: post #73
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

Maybe you don’t know but here in Romania we have our fair share of streets named after anti-semites and-or iron guard collaborators.

But you’d probably protest if someone called you an anti-semite for this alone.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#103

Post by simonh »

stingraycharles wrote: post #86
tablespoon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it.…

> The ironic thing is many of the rank-and-file of those people think that distrust gives them greater access to the truth, when in reality it just makes them easier to lie to. Care to elaborate? Intuitively what you're saying sounds plausible, but not why that would be the case.

They are primed to ignore any contrary evidence, that would disprove lies they are being told, that they see on MSM or in fact anywhere. Once they believe a specific channel of information or community is the only one they can trues, they can be sold on anything.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#105

Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

paganel wrote: post #73
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

> but it did raise some questions for me

What questions of any importance or relevance to this war would it possibly raise? Are you suggesting that if Ukraine really was wall-to-wall Nazis that maybe Russia is somehow justified here? Maybe WW2 wasn't quite finished after all? Good grief. Stop stirring the turd for no good reason other than to rile people up.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#106

Post by ajsnigrutin »

duxup wrote: post #93

I'm curious about the usefulness of deepfakes in the face of 'momentum'. Russia has largely been seen negatively, not just for the invasion, but also their military performance. Underdogs are popular and Ukraine's stiff resistance vs what was thought to be a vastly stronger power and they have has captured a lot of the West's enthusiasm / support. Russia's propaganda about nazis, being liberators, chemical weapons, '…

War is war... russia just has a worse propaganda machine in the west, than the west has. Internally (in russia), the propaganda was probably better, but so was the eg. "iraq has weapons of mass destruction" in the west.

But this video looks like someone from 4chan made it "for the lulz".

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by orangepurple »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #41
Graffur wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been on HN for years now. I don't recall anything in particular that would fall into "The Clinton stuff". What are you talking about?

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I agree. These guys put together a lot of documentation: arkancide.com

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Mordisquitos »

pengstrom wrote: post #36
crate_barre wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

This seems unnecessarily elitist. I mean, I would be glad if I could get away with just discussing theory and ideas, but reality and practical matters gets in the way. We vote for people, we evaluate people from events.

Ironically, your comment is itself a perfect example of discussing an idea. In fact, I would argue that discussing people and events as proxies for the discussion of ideas does not fall foul of the maxim.

One thing is to discuss how candidate X chooses to dress, whether candidate Y cheated on their partner, or how candidate Z looked so stupid in that incident yesterday. Another very different thing is to discuss candidate X's personal background (and how it makes them more likely to understand a given issue), that candidate Y does not practice what they preach (and probably cannot be trusted), or that candidate Z has owned up to their screw-up yesterday (and self-criticism is a good trait for leadership).

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by ryangittins »

Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes."

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#110

Post by SamBam »

stingraycharles wrote: post #86
tablespoon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it.…

> The ironic thing is many of the rank-and-file of those people think that distrust gives them greater access to the truth, when in reality it just makes them easier to lie to. Care to elaborate? Intuitively what you're saying sounds plausible, but not why that would be the case.

What the last few years has really brought into sharp focus is that many people who distrust "official sources" (mainstream media, scientists, etc) seem to unquestioningly accept fringe sources, so long as it matches their prior beliefs.

Many of these same people consider themselves "skeptics" because they instinctively distrust the official sources.

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