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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by nicoburns »

the_lucifer wrote: post #82
pcr910303 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs does support non-integer scaling. In fact, macOS currently ships non-integer scaling by default in certain MBP models. It gets criticized from time to tome, though the newer 14/16” MBPs ship 200% as default again.

> It gets criticized from time to tome, though the newer 14/16” MBPs ship 200% as default again. The new 2021 MacBook Pros were such a great design and it's clear how every small thing points to them being the greatest since 2015 Pros.

I upgraded from 2015 13" Macbook Pro to 2021 14" Macbook Pro, and it's remarkable how similar the devices are. The physical dimensions are almost identical. Neither have a touch bar. And they both have a similar selection of ports (HDMI, SD card, aux, mag safe), and in very similar locations. The difference is basically improvements in quality of pretty much everything: better screen resolution and size, better webcam, better keyboard, better speakers, USB-C instead of thunderbolt ports and USB-A, better battery life, and of course a much much faster processor and thermals.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by BitwiseFool »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #28

Would be nice to have >5K resolutions to have more pixel density. Alas, macOS doesn't support any native scaling other than 100% and 200%. So if they did release e.g. a 27" 8K monitor, the text would either be too small, or they'd have to use bitmap scaling to make it bigger in which case there'd be no advantage of having an 8K monitor. (EDIT: To clarify, all other scaling factors are done by rendering at either 100%…

> (a) adopt Windows' approach of allowing any arbitrary scale

Apple is all about controlling and curating the user experience. They would much rather force you into some lane than allow you to go wild configuration wise.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by NackerHughes »

james-redwood wrote: post #31

I hate this trend in ‘ultra modern’ websites with the infinite scroll pulling you through some sort of animation. The website is near unusable as a result.

Hey, it's marginally more usable than unskippable Flash intros, which is what we used to get.

Although, unlike other similarly effect-heavy apple landing pages I've seen in the recent past, this one doesn't appear to offer a decent alternative version when javascript is disabled, which is a disappointment.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by owenwil »

jjcm wrote: post #98

Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

The technology to do 5K @ 120hz just doesn't exist yet. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by NobodyNada »

pcr910303 wrote: post #50
adrianmsmith wrote: post #28

Would be nice to have >5K resolutions to have more pixel density. Alas, macOS doesn't support any native scaling other than 100% and 200%. So if they did release e.g. a 27" 8K monitor, the text would either be too small, or they'd have to use bitmap scaling to make it bigger in which case there'd be no advantage of having an 8K monitor. (EDIT: To clarify, all other scaling factors are done by rendering at either 100%…

Macs does support non-integer scaling. In fact, macOS currently ships non-integer scaling by default in certain MBP models. It gets criticized from time to tome, though the newer 14/16” MBPs ship 200% as default again.

Unless things changed since last I checked ~2 years ago, macOS’s 150% scaling actually renders at 300% and downscales. It looks pretty bad (visible aliasing on any kind of text) and is wasteful performance-wise.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by fotta »

jjcm wrote: post #98

Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

TB4 has the same bandwidth as TB3 so you wouldn't be able to daisy chain 5k monitors anyway. Also as the other commentator mentioned, TB doesn't have enough bandwidth for 120hz (53Gbps vs 40Gbps)

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by orangecat »

DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

Yes. My desktop is using a janky 5k display with dozens of dead subpixels, and still it was the best option available at the time (and it now seems to be discontinued). It's impressive how the supposedly diverse PC ecosystem completely fails to deliver in certain areas; see also reasonably sized Android phones.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by nwidynski »

moooo99 wrote: post #70
Thaxll wrote: post #56

Are people really paying 1.6k for a 60hz monitor?

Show me a higher/same resolution display with a higher refresh rate. I'd genuinely curious. I've been searching for a new monitor for a few weeks and can't find anything with 4K and more than 60Hz refresh rate.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-27GN950-B-Ultragear-Response-Compa...

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by jimrandomh »

It's kind of ridiculous how slow the progress in screen resolutions has been. It's disappointing that Apple is only going for 5k, not 8k; they're well positioned to fix the ecosystem and bring high-resolution large displays to everyone, if only they tried.

I'm finally sitting in front of an 8k 65" screen. This gives me a nice combination of decent picel density in the center and lots of peripheral vision in which to put secondary windows, plus I can sit across the room and watch a movie on it. But every component of the ecosystem introduced problems and friction.

I have an M1 Macbook Pro on the same desk. The Macbook can't drive the 8k TV. I have a separate desktop running Windows with an nVidia GPU for that. Every component of the video ecosystem has given me friction in getting to 8k. I had to swap my $1k nVidia GPU for a different $1k nVidia GPU that wasn't any faster, to get HDMI 2.1 support. Had to use special HDMI cables, because cables that aren't specially marked as HDMI2.1 compatible don't have enough bandwidth. And then the display itself has a ridiculous postprocessing bug (I wrote about it at https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussions/IyO2wLLsNnJCMT-_/firmw...) which makes me think the firmware engineers didn't have a working 8k source to test with.

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