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Post by mattzito »

coolso wrote: post #29
zmgsabst wrote: post #16

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> Only Republicans lie about elections — when we do it, it’s “fortifying” and “election integrity”. Bingo, it will be couched in those terms as well as "voting rights". To them, if you aren't picked up and given a free ride by an Uber to a polling place, then fed and given free water while waiting in line, then given a free ride back to your house, the election is being interf- I mean, "voting rights" are being tramp…

Why wouldn't we want to make it as easy as possible to vote? For everybody? I don't know that we have to uber everyone there and back, but why not make it super easy to vote by mail?

It's not even a partisan issue, per se, lots of elderly conservative people vote by mail, especially during covid.

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Post by godmode2019 »

I really don't know why people think elections are not rigged.

In my opinion all elections are rigged, why on earth would you risk losing power to the whim of the 'unwashed'.

Both parties are two sides of the same coin and go back and forth to give everyone the illusion of choice. But when people mass together and demand social change, BLM ect its allowed to happened only until it starts working, then the authorities crack down with a iron fist.

Its well documented that the USA rigs elections in other countries. So if the technology exists and the appetite exists, what's stopping them? Laws? Morals?

Do we really think that the intelligence community is going to let a random popular citizen have command of the biggest military in the world and a finger on the nuclear button, just because a couple of extra people put their name on a piece of paper?

I think that is absurd, all elections are rigged and to suggest otherwise is naive, holding on to a romantic notion that we choose our leaders.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cabaalis »

slg wrote: post #88
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

I always enjoy a well crafted comment like this in which the reader can't tell if the "authoritarianism" you are decrying is the former president trying to circumvent democracy or the censorship of people who are spreading that message. It allows you to collect upvotes from people on both sides thinking you are accusing the other of authoritarianism.

Either people have and live by principles or they don't. Part of our division is these sides you speak of, instructing their followers what to believe about individual topics.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cm2187 »

pyuser583 wrote: post #82
TameAntelope wrote: post #26

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Curious about where you see an institutionalized support on the left for election tampering claims, if you have any sources.

The 2000 Presidential election was attacked as illegitimate. I was watching the latter seasons of X-Files and Fox Mulder made a comment on 2000 elections, something like “that sounds about as reliable as our elections.” Plenty of folks, Howard Dean comes to mind, said they were straight up illegitimate. Even now many on the left insist it was a tie or something. This thing of “if you don’t win the elections, question…

Though it is as old as democracy. Thinking about the scene from citizen kane where kane’s newspaper prepared two alternative headlines for the day after the elections: “kane elected” and “fraud at the polls”.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by rsfern »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #84
rsfern wrote: post #58

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According to Fiona Hill, we’re already in it. She doesn’t really indicate when we crossed the rubicon, but I guess there doesn’t always have to be a Franz Ferdinand moment? https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-...

According to Fiona Hill that is not the definition of a world war. World Wars have been defined by battles in multiples countries and continents. The Syrian civil war was over 15 countries and factions. War in Afghanistan over 5 countries, technically much more. None of these wars were consider WW3, and just because the war between Ukraine and Russia is in Europe doesn’t make it any different.

Can you clarify? Like halfway down the politico interview, the interviewer prompts

> There are people who are saying we’re on the brink of a World War III.

And Hill responds “we’re already in it”

Maybe you disagree, but I was surprised by that response and found it very thought provoking

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cyanydeez »

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

Is it thought, or is it just an actual threat of fascism require a hardline on the "tolerance of intolerance"

If course mistakes happen when you stop blindly accepting everything S valuation.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lliamander »

awb wrote: post #59

Soave (co-host of The Hill’s morning show: Rising) wrote an article about it here: https://reason.com/2022/03/03/youtube-rising-the-hill-electi... > YouTube has taken the position that merely acknowledging an utterance of the false claim is the same thing as making the claim yourself unless you correct and disavow it elsewhere in the video. It is also sufficient to post a warning label in the video's description that…

What nonsense from YouTube. Do they really think putting in such disclaimers is actually going to change anyone's mind?

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by freedomben »

hobs wrote: post #83
freedomben wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not GP, but Hilary Clinton 2016 [1]: > “There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.” [1]: https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-ma…

The difference is that with Bush you have hanging chads and a court decision that after the votes were counted would have probably come out differently, and a concerted political effort to turn that to their advantage. The republican party just literally spent months on questioning the election in places like Arizona with no evidence of any fraud, and there's plenty of documentation on how (almost always republican)…

I'm not trying to argue that it's a "he said, she said" thing, and as a matter of degrees, Trump is way worse. My main argument though is that humans (no matter which "side") are terrible at holding themselves to the same standard as they do other people, especially their opponents. For that reason I expect the rules to soften the next time the pendulum swings to the right.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by goostavos »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #21

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Is anything other than blind nationalism what we're calling "propaganda"...? The west absolutely has a role in the current state of the world. I don't think it's propaganda to acknowledge to situation is messy, and far more complex than "Russia is bad guy. Everyone else: good guy with no wrong doings."

If anything, I feel as though the propaganda is strongly flowing the other way. I'm blown away by how quickly popular media snapped back into war mode. Just like the early days of the Iraq war, it's a bombardment of war memes, the good guys are amazing, "did you hear about the Ghost of Kyiv?", "Russia is surrendering!", "One Ukrainian soldier dismantled a tank with his bare hands", "A sniper killed a top general."

The war is heartbreaking to see in real time. It's also frustrating to see all the simplified, good/bad hot-takes that perpetuates the US' "I'm not responsible for any of this" attitude. Meanwhile, we continue our own regime change wars, arming of states hostile to others, and then feign surprise and outrage when people call out the west's meddling when things go tits up.

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