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Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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Domain squatting has a fairly specific legal definition. We aren't squatting. We actually came up with the idea after being frustrated by domain parking and squatters and frankly the whole domain industry.

And you are sticking it to that industry by ... doing the same? It doesn't matter if you call it squatting or "domaining", in the end you are blocking thousands of domain names on the hope that someone needs that name so much that he will pay ransom for it. (Kind of related: Anyone interested in a URI-dnsbl of squatted domain names?)

"(Kind of related: Anyone interested in a URI-dnsbl of squatted domain names?)"

I'm curious how you think that it's related. A blacklist directly impacts the startup purchasing the domain from purchasing it because of the murky ground involved in removing a domain name from blacklists.

And then, if you have a clear-cut mechanism for getting domain names off a blacklist when they cease to be squatted, what's the point of it? Domainers don't tend to build websites on theses domains, so blacklisting them out of being indexed on search engines is simply fixing a problem that doesn't exist. And as such, it doesn't lower the projected value of the domain in the eyes of either the purchaser or seller.

So it's not clear what purpose a URI-dnsbl would serve in regards to domaining.

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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No! A $7.99 domain name and what looks like to me a $99 logo thrown is not a steal or a good deal. Let me come at this way: Can I get the domain off of you for %80 off the $250 price ? I presume that the answer is no, because it's a lipstick on pig product designed to glorify domain squatting. All the power to you for finding a niche market, but suckers be warned that it's highway robbery! edit: downvoted within 2 mi…

Any tips on finding a good place for a custom $99 logo?

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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This smacks of "That doctor only spent five minutes in the room, and now he wants $200?!" There is a lot of other value you're buying here - the selection of the name, the connection of the name and an aesthetic, the skills for which don't magically appear in people overnight. Did you look at the site? Care and consideration has been exercised in the branding of these names, from colors to typography. If the "raw mat…

Most of these logos are poor, which means you're going to throw them out. That's all the service includes. [This one]( http://stylate.com/portfolio/sporous-com/ ) is just the domain name in a particular font. They don't even include rights to the font! That is bullshit. I'm echoing the "lipstick on a pig glorifying domain squatting." These guys are like upscale spammers, or group buying discount sites.

First, it's a logotype. Some of the world's most recognizable logos are, like this, logotypes.

Second, professional designers do not give you the rights to the typeface they use for their logotypes. You ask them, they obtain them, and then they invoice you the several hundred dollars the logotype cost them.

Third, why would you want the font used for this particular logo? It's a terrible display font. Its only value is in creating logotypes like this one.

I find this particular critique unfounded.

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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No! A $7.99 domain name and what looks like to me a $99 logo thrown is not a steal or a good deal. Let me come at this way: Can I get the domain off of you for %80 off the $250 price ? I presume that the answer is no, because it's a lipstick on pig product designed to glorify domain squatting. All the power to you for finding a niche market, but suckers be warned that it's highway robbery! edit: downvoted within 2 mi…

Everybody "domainsquats". People joke with each other about how many names they have in their registrar account. These particular people chose an extraordinarily reasonable price point just for the name, and added design services on top.

They could charge 4x as much and probably close just as much business, because $1000 is a rounding error for a serious 2-person startup.

I don't see why you're bagging on them.

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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No! A $7.99 domain name and what looks like to me a $99 logo thrown is not a steal or a good deal. Let me come at this way: Can I get the domain off of you for %80 off the $250 price ? I presume that the answer is no, because it's a lipstick on pig product designed to glorify domain squatting. All the power to you for finding a niche market, but suckers be warned that it's highway robbery! edit: downvoted within 2 mi…

Any tips on finding a good place for a custom $99 logo?

I've used http://www.logodesigncreation.com multiple times and they've always provided a reliable, consistent service.

If your local agency that charges $3k for a logo is Ruth Chris Steakhouse, these guys are McDonalds - and I mean that as a compliment.

(No affiliation except as a customer)

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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True a $8 name - but times the (hu)man-hours to find a great one, and add a decent looking design. I've not had luck with either $99 logo designers, nor the logos they create - plus my time to brief them, provide feedback and pay them once 'something' is settled on.

Thanks for addressing the comment. Still, the logo is shabby. you will most likely( I would ) get rid of it post-purchase just to get the good domain name. At that point I'm looking to spend some time and get it done properly.

The logos on this site are uniformly better than the average "Show HN".

Every one of them clears the bar of "presentable to early customers".

Most clear the bar of "presentable to mainstream customers".

None are distinctive, which is to say, none send the signal "we picked one of The Cool Designers and paid $10,000 for this logo". But virtually nobody needs that.

Think whatever you want about these designs, but if you bring a prototype to market that looks like the typical "Show HN" because you're too cool to buy a cheap design, you'll suffer for it.

Re: Pre-branded domain names for startups

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1. Not using copyrighted names. 2. Adding value 3. Not using means such as using expiring names 4. Not using "bottom feeder" tactics like parking page advertising. From wikipedia: cybersquatting: " or using a domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else" What goodwill or trademark are they misusing? [Edit: For formatting, but couldn't get it to look like I wan…

It appears that they are using parking page advertising - go to any of the available domains and you'll see that they don't just redirect to Stylate.

Point is it's not their primary profit model. In fact, they'll make next to nothing on parking ads for these domains, being made-up names...unless their customers promote the domain before actually executing the transfer (which would not be a smart thing to do).
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