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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by asddubs »

codethief wrote: post #54
hef19898 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ThnikPads have propably the best keyboards around, definitly the best laptop keyboards I ever used.

You either have never tried a ThinkPad prior to the W530 (i.e. more than 10 years ago, when they significantly changed the keyboard for the first time) or you haven't used one of the "next-gen" models with "next-gen" keyboards that they have been building ever since and that get worse with every iteration.

tbh I never minded the chiclet keyboard on the newer thinkpads, and I do also still use a W500

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by plantain »

tiku wrote: post #96

At what point will there come laptops that have a slot for an extra battery like an 18650 or 26650 battery that can sustain a full workday extra? That would be nice, just to carrey a small spare battery.

Every USB-C laptop has this - charge it like you would charge your phone on the go, from a powerbank.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by Jedd »

avidphantasm wrote: post #98
daptaq wrote: post #73

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> Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel. Any background on this? I always assumed 16:9 became popular because of videos.

If you are authoring 16:9 content, something like 16:10 allows for some UI controls to be displayed along with 16:9 video at native resolution during previews. When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better.

> When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better.

I don't think that's how space works.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by chrisjc »

I think I'll always associate anything that runs on Qualcomm (thought it's not just them) as temporary due to its short lifespan and lack of vendor support based on my experience of buying Android phones, tablets and media devices. I think this is already true of some (all?) Chromebooks that actually have expiration dates.

This is probably not a fair comparison since it's a laptop and windows-based, but it would take a lot to win me back with how much money, time and effort i have lost over the years with these products... not to mention the amount of ewaste has been generated.

Even more true with my experience with Motorola (Lenovo); $600+ phone stops getting support/updates after 6 months of ownership... trade-in value of $28. Never again.

Then again, seeing Intel with some serious competition warms me up a little bit. Also the thought of an ecosystem of blossoming Linux distros for ARM laptops/desktops makes me excited.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pantalaimon »

sandGorgon wrote: post #70
pdenton wrote: post #35

But do they run Linux? ThinkPads were always great for Linux and I've been happy with them ever since I can afford them (6 years now).

https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/ Fedora 35: aarch64 DVD ISO should work. Just FYI, we run our entire production api on arm on AWS. Its pretty rock stable and mature. The stability of ARM on linux is pretty much a solved problem at this point.

Are there really no more model specific images required?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by azangru »

eertami wrote: post #71
ihateolives wrote: post #40

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> Thinkpads often have terrible screens imho True. I was not interested in Intel Macbooks because the pluses even with that great screen didn't win me over from of thinkpads but M1 has changed the game for me. The battery and performance improvements are just too good to ignore.

I have an M1 but never use it at home, the battery is only really useful if I need to spend a few days on the road away from power. My daily driver is an Intel 1185g7 based Laptop which I can work a whole day without charging if needed (tops out at about 10 hours), and anymore than that doesn't really add any value. If Linux support gets better on the M1 I think I would consider switching but honestly when I put them…

> My daily driver is an Intel 1185g7 based Laptop which I can work a whole day without charging

Which laptop model is that?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pinephoneguy »

chrisjc wrote: post #104

I think I'll always associate anything that runs on Qualcomm (thought it's not just them) as temporary due to its short lifespan and lack of vendor support based on my experience of buying Android phones, tablets and media devices. I think this is already true of some (all?) Chromebooks that actually have expiration dates. This is probably not a fair comparison since it's a laptop and windows-based, but it would take…

I stopped buying Qualcomm smartphones years ago. There's no way I'd by a laptop with one of their chips.

What an unfortunate choice by Lenovo.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by bodge5000 »

codethief wrote: post #54
hef19898 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ThnikPads have propably the best keyboards around, definitly the best laptop keyboards I ever used.

You either have never tried a ThinkPad prior to the W530 (i.e. more than 10 years ago, when they significantly changed the keyboard for the first time) or you haven't used one of the "next-gen" models with "next-gen" keyboards that they have been building ever since and that get worse with every iteration.

I haven't used any of the current-gen thinkpads, but the x250 (thats probably the most recent I've used) from 2016 has a very nice keyboard

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by nuodag »

bubblethink wrote: post #90
ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

The thing with lenovo is that advertise inflated prices. Everything is 50% off in a few months around black friday. The list price is only for press releases. Besides, thinkpads are sold primarily in bulk to companies who also get the discounted rate.

Not in this market. We're usually buying thinkads in bunches of 20 every few months, and are struggling to get any (decent ones), never mind 50% off.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sofixa »

rvz wrote: post #81
FeepingCreature wrote: post #77

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Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.

Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less wo…

Why do you think they aren't? There's a massive gaming on Linux movement which is only going up, and Chromebooks are outselling Apple Macs. Most main OEMs sell Linux-compatible devices, that come with Linux preinstalled.
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