The word "terrorism" wasn't yet in the common vernacular. The people in the video were having a hard time articulating what they saw "That was a..dead on kill, he did it on purpose!".
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Exactly! I remember getting dressed for work while listening to MPR (Minnesota Public Radio) about an airplane hitting the WTC and I figured it was just a small Cessna 172 or something so I turned on my TV just in time to see the second impact live. Watching it happen live with the immediate knowledge that it was obviously a deliberate act was, like you said, a huge amount to process all at once. I actually think tha…
The memory I have of that day is similar. I had an early morning class and work in the afternoon. When we left the early morning class, a friend got a call from his parent asking if he was okay. We were in a midwestern college town nowhere near in danger of being a target. Checked the news on Yahoo and all we could get at that point was that a flight flew into the World Trade Center. We thought it was a private small…
I think everyone of a certain age, who was around their peers as it happened, either made a thoughtless comment or heard one.
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#103Definitely a new angle, but it’s also strange after so many years to find good footage like this. The random extra stuff at the end make it feel very genuinely “found an old miniDV tape with some footage of forgotten about.” But it’s also just really weird to hear people talking so clearly the moment after it happens. It’s preserved a slightly surreal moment of shock quite well.
The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.
Hey I’m really sorry my previous comment offended it was a poorly judged and poorly written expression of my feelings. Just that feeling of lost innocence and lost security at the point everyone realised it was on purpose must have been incredibly jarring. Pretty terrible to go from carefree to the idea that this could happen at any moment. The British have done enough meddling around the world that half the world bears us a grudge. There were bombings in London quite frequently when I grew up though they got a lot less deadly into the 90’s. Even so, when the train station I used to go to school had a bomb left in it, I had pretty bad nightmares for a while after that. I always had a sense that something could happen at any time from as soon as I was old enough to understand the security posters and the PA announcements about unattended bags. The last big IRA bomb in London was miles away yet it violently rattled the windows in my house. Then there was a break until 9/11 happened and it was obvious that there was going to be a reaction to this. When the wars in the middle east started we knew it was only a matter of time before it happened to us again. So when ~100 people were killed in the Al Qeada train bombings in London. I felt like ‘oh this again’ and there was just this crushing feeling that it was back for real. I remember randomly bursting into tears in a pub that night at the senseless randomness of it.
Whereas you all got yanked into this different awful reality that happens out of nowhere watching this extreme insane next level thing happen on live TV, it’s quite a different thing to growing up with a low level sense that it is normal that someone might want to do something bad to you purely because you live in a particular place in a particular country. I think thats what I was getting at; that my life experience would have meant that when the second one hit it was a feeling of resignation and deep sadness, because I was used to the idea that terror attacks happen. But coming literally out of the blue for you guys it must have been a different emotion, truly shocking especially given how extreme these attacks were and how they played out in full view of everyone instead of in grimy tunnels and smokey pubs like all the stuff that happened when I was a child. Because it was such a shock for Americans I was pretty scared about how you were going to react, I remember seriously discussing with friends wether we thought you would use nukes or if we were all going to end up conscripted to fight with you in some huge war to exact revenge on whoever had done it seems far fetched now but there have definitely been serious global consequences.
This whole Ukraine thing has really reminded me of the nuclear war nightmares I used to have in the 80’s as well. I feel an impending sense of doom about this also. I hope I’m wrong.
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#104I'll just say this: many here are convinced our AI overlords have landed and we'll soon all be out of jobs and deepfakes are undistinguishable from the real thing. So I'll say this: if you believe AI is advanced, then in 2022 it's not possible to take this video for granted and you have to take into account that all evidence surfacing from now may be deepfakes. I'm not saying they are: I'm saying you have to keep tha…
Please stop. I was in seventh grade when all this went down. It was around the time that they first started putting TVs in classrooms. The teacher flipped the channel to the news when it was announced that an accident occurred and a plane flew into the WTC. Then they kept coming live on TV. In subsequent days I listened to final phone calls between people and their families. The internet was so congested I could bare…
There are many millions of people in the US who still have not seen rational expplainations as to the cause of the towers falling. The misinformation, confusion, and subsequent distrust of the government resulting from that and other factors has led to these people still holding onto the false flag narrative. It didn't help that they new who was responsible so soon after the attack (which I found very maddening and suspicious, certainly not comforting) and that certain elements within the Bush administration used the attack for their own agenda to start another war in Iraq. Years later it was proven to be a lie as we're the fact that the FBI was following all of the attackers, the Bush admin warned numerous times, and that fact was covered up as well.
So, given all that and most of those millions of people probably never seeing anything more detailed than Loose Change they have lost all trust in government. This is one of the core elements of our modern day populist uprising.
I had not even been aware of some of the sound explanations I have heard in this thread today. I watched the towers fall live, I watched the hideous war drumming and lying to start the Iraq war, live. In those days (I was 25) as someone who meticulously kept up with all open source material on world events previous, during, and after, I lost any and all faith in government.
Since then, the opioid epidemic has been exposed and was something I lived through as well...all of it. I lost my dad, brother, closest uncle, and my cousin (brother-cuz) to that fucking nightmare.
I know my experience is the tip of the ice berg. I'm smart and I can feel my way through misinformation but it is still tuff to do. I think people greatly misunderstand the impact of these events and how they are still lighting fires to this very day.
It ain't over.
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#105[dead]
Interesting documentary, can you help explain the use of the term `neo liberal` here? I thought liberal meant progressive. Progressive as in more government safety nets
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop. I was in seventh grade when all this went down. It was around the time that they first started putting TVs in classrooms. The teacher flipped the channel to the news when it was announced that an accident occurred and a plane flew into the WTC. Then they kept coming live on TV. In subsequent days I listened to final phone calls between people and their families. The internet was so congested I could bare…
There are many millions of people in the US who still have not seen rational expplainations as to the cause of the towers falling. The misinformation, confusion, and subsequent distrust of the government resulting from that and other factors has led to these people still holding onto the false flag narrative. It didn't help that they new who was responsible so soon after the attack (which I found very maddening and s…
You're definitely repeating some of the misinformation in the form of reductionism. The situation with WMDs in Iraq was definitely wrong, but doesn't rise to lies. Two different countries were saying that they suspected these weapons were in Iraq, where Al Qaeda was heavily present, and often protected. The cherry on top was that in the 1980s Saddam had not only manufactured chemical weapons but he used them as well. Saddam refused to allow UN investigators in, and thus we had the Iraq war. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_des...
One of the things I also remember from this time period was about why 9/11 happened even though some individual agencies had bits of information. It was discovered these agencies didn't share information so as to protect it. FISA and The Dept of Homeland Security are direct reflections of their own internal criticism.
I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents and I definitely get what it's like to witness lies and misinformation spewed across TV stations while your reality on the ground is very different. These days I have a healthy distrust for government still, however, I expect to see reports and trajectories change when those institutions mess things up. This is what composes "trust" for me now. That's the best I feel that I can expect from any large bureaucratic organization government or otherwise.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could simply have been a hoax, to attract attention. (Having the video, I mean, not the attack).
What's the hoax? OP has seen the video.
Natalie Jeremijenko hosted the seminar, but was not the artist who played the video. Yes, I saw the video. IIRC, it showed the plane passing low over the Potomac seconds before it hit the Pentagon, just out of frame. I don't see how that could have been a hoax.
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#108Back in 2001/2002, I went to a series of seminars hosted by the artist Natalie Jeremijenko. One of the presenting artists had footage of the Pentagon attack, taken from a camera he had set up on the Potomac River. He refused to give anyone else access to it. "I want to think about how to best present this footage." he said. I still have never seen that footage again to this day, and the selfishness makes me angry whe…
Asked them about it recently? If not, please do.
It was 20 years ago. Maybe someone documented that seminar, and can look up who the presenting artist was, but I sure didn't.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the hoax? OP has seen the video.
Have they? It isn’t clear to me if they’ve seen it or just heard that it exists
Sorry, I tried to be clear. I did see the video. The artist had it online behind a password-protected web page. He went to some URL at his own site, put in a name and password, and played the video. Some of us asked him how we could see the video again, and that's when he told us that it wasn't "public", that he wanted to hold onto it until he could figure out how to best present it or whatever-the-fuck ever.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the hoax? OP has seen the video.
The video may be fake. Jeremijenko, the "artist", withholds it to avoid detailed examination.
I really was not clear, sorry. Nathalie Jeremijenko was not the artist who had the video. She hosted a seminar where a sequence of artists gave talks. One of these artists presented that video at the seminar.
I really don't see how it could have been a hoax. Computer art and animation was my thing at the time, and I'm pretty sure I would have noticed a fake. 20 years ago, computer animation was pretty good, but it was a rare few who could make truly realistic renders and composit them into recorded video. Not that guy, for sure.