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Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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>Godfather I & II is based on the Book written by Mario Puzzo. ever read the book? It's a dog.

It’s very good pulp with at least one pointless side plot. If you’ve never read something that’s actually bad you might consider that a dog.

Ok I guess dog is overstating it when there are Mack Bolan books out there, but on the other hand it is definitely not that you can point to the movies and say Well of course they're masterpieces! Just look at the book!

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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The international market is the main reason. These type of movies play well globally and are easily understood compared to dialogue heavy / complex story / local knowledge required stories.

I'd like to see some statistics for that. IIRC most of the big marvel/dc comic movies did significantly better in the US than outside. It sort of makes sense as well, those comic books were not as big for the generation that is 30+ now in those other countries. The too complex dialogue argument also doesn't really make sense considering that movies get translated in the biggest overseas markets.

Stats:

https://www.boxofficepro.com/box-office-rewind-a-history-of-...

Marvel films make most of their money internationally, the bigger the film, the bigger the foreign share. E.g. Infinity War $357.1 million domestically and $1.2 billion worldwide.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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It’s unclear to me why that transition would mean that writers/directors/storytellers would win. Lower costs make creative risks more viable?

Eventually teenage kids will be making Star Wars at home. Or Star Wars meets Scarface. GPUs will surpass 2010's Pixar. This, coupled with real time motion capture and photogrammetry, will enable more creativity than ever before from more people than have ever been involved. A democratization that even Disney won't be able to counter. But to directly answer your question, the process of writing moves off the text edit…

You keep making this argument and it’s no more realistic than the “anyone can code” if you come up with a low code environment.

We saw the results of the low code movement with impossible to maintain Access and FoxPro “applications” and the Excel spreadsheets with VB.

I have all of the equipment I need to make a great movie or music video - a 4K camera, a computer, and movie and music editing software. I technical know how to use all of the software well enough to make videos and to mix music.

But I don’t have the talent.

You have people like Blumhouse , Tyler Perry, and Jordan Peele who whether you like their movies or not, know how to make successful low budget movies. Not every YouTuber can.

We’ve seen democraticization of creating music, books, and movies. But still all of the money is being made by a relatively few.

GPUs have already surpassed 2010s Pixar’s. The Intel Mac Pro and the M1 Pro Macs can already do amazing things - in the hands of the right people.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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> Eventually teenage kids will be making Star Wars at home. Perhaps, but the same was promised when camera and editing equipment became commodities. There are a few examples like the Blair Witch Project, or Tangerine, a great movie which was filmed with two iPhones. But in general successful movies are still expensively made by professional teams. The problem is: Even if the technical equipment is cheap, successful m…

I would bet if young people had the kinds of rents and the accompanying amount of slack time we had in the early 90s, paired with modern tech, tons of good movies and bands would be created. But they don't and the creativity of the young, in many fields, is being wasted.

There wasn’t more slack time in the 90s, but there wasn’t time wasted on social media either.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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We could as well skip the movie and start the debate right away. >What he dreams about, he said, is creating something like It's a Wonderful Life—a movie everyone goes to see, once a year, forever. “On New Year's, instead of talking about the fact that you're going to give up carbohydrates, I'd like this one question to be discussed, which is: Is the society we live in the only one available to us? And discuss it.” >…

Frank Capra, and I say this as a Caltech alum, was kind of a shit after the 1950s as a person. I think Coppola can do better for a role model.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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He seems to have bet his whole life and at the end he seems to have won. I wonder why he doesn't do a crowd funding, I am sure he would raise the money easily and not have producers on his back.

He is a multi-billionaire. He simply does not need to crowdfund. This is a big bet, but if it does not pay off it will not bankrupt him or in any way risk him or his family's fortune.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Spielberg has said a few times that it is hard for him to raise money for projects. Other big names have said the same thing. Studios want superhero movies or reboots and nothing else.

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Two thoughts.

1. If we know what a government can do when it’s not on “your side” whichever your side is, then why do most people on HN always want the “government to pass a law to do $x to private businesses” giving the government more power?

2. Exactly what does “being American mean”? I bet you dollars to donuts when you talk to your parents about the good old days, the story is different than talking to my parents who grew up in the segregated south.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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I am shocked he has to put his own money into this movie. It must be really off the wall for a studio to not invest in that. Studios are generally willing to raise money for movies by big name directors even if they haven't had a hit recently (see how Terrence Malick keeps getting to make big expensive movies, most with a-list stars despite not having had a commercial or widespread critical hit since the late-90s).

Spielberg has said a few times that it is hard for him to raise money for projects. Other big names have said the same thing. Studios want superhero movies or reboots and nothing else.

Studios want profit.

When only superheroes or reboots are profitable, that's what they'll finance.

Not sure if Netflix and the other streamers work differently.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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I believe it. That’s wonderful. Though I’m teaching now - in a previous life, I was a Local 600 2nd AC. The storytelling industry fascinates me, but I would love to see user generated, interactive fiction become prominent. All the better if talent can be the central stakeholder. Unreal/Epic got a shout out above. Can you point out anyone else who is working seriously in the space? That’s exciting.

> I was a Local 600 2nd AC That's awesome! I know a bunch of IATSE folks and they're all super cool. It's such a unique industry, and the excitement on set is totally palpable. > The storytelling industry fascinates me, but I would love to see user generated, interactive fiction I'm working on exactly this now! Collaborative motion capture and environmental control with audience participation. I haven't launched publ…

Great idea. In the near future, it may be possible to type a message and have your persona actually get on a call and say it.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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post #104

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I would bet if young people had the kinds of rents and the accompanying amount of slack time we had in the early 90s, paired with modern tech, tons of good movies and bands would be created. But they don't and the creativity of the young, in many fields, is being wasted.

There wasn’t more slack time in the 90s, but there wasn’t time wasted on social media either.

Young people need to work a lot more hours to pay rent now and whether it is because sharing places is less popular or not, there are far less places to rent for groups. There are now far more 1 or 2 bedroom apartments and many larger houses have been divided. Practice spaces and studio spaces are also much, much more difficult to come by. In city after city, what used to be dirt cheap warehouses are now pricey condos and fancy apartments.
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