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They take pride in their masochism
It's called exercise. Plenty of people do a lot of physical exercise when they could be content to stay still, but it's good for health. In this case, mental exercise keeps the brain healthy.
Having spent a few years in Perl I understand some of the frustration of an IDE. I find dynamic languages don't gain a lot from an IDE. But if you're in something with stronger types like Java, typescript or F# the IDE is a God send. The best tool ever is refactor rename. When the IDE can parse your entire code base and rename just the function or variable you want it's amazing. Go to definition is worlds better too.…
As for JS and IDEs, you should try an IDE again. Far better.
All these anti-IDE rants strike me as coming from people who have never actually used an IDE beyond "oh it's an editor with an autocomplete".
I'd argue that there's plenty of brilliant things written in Java. And Perl people sneering at Java feels a bit like defensiveness.
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I think a lot of people's views have been influenced by their use of languages where the type system or overall language framework is either too weak (eg: Python, Javascript) or in some cases too complex (eg: C++) for more than a thin layer IDE experience to be possible. If you use those kind of languages then it's true, IDEs buy you a limited set of functionality and you don't need much more than a basic language se…
I agree; before I starting writing Swift, my only IDE experience was using Eclipse in college, and I really looked down on IDEs. I thought of them as a crutch required by poorly-designed and overly-verbose languages like Java. But the IDE experience with a language that has decent type system like Swift is really great. It truly just feels like a more efficient way to consume documentation and write code. The analogy…
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> getting back into the command line, the terminal, the console & re-learning the hard way how to re-enact many of the things your IDE does for you is really hard. So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"? > To insist on fast immediate obvious worth is to miss the big picture, is toxic to healthy ecosystems & diversity's neandering How much time do I hav…
> So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"? Becoming a person of unlimited potential. Being capable of understanding & tackling anything, understanding the world you live in, not living like a marrionette shadow puppet your life. > How much time do I have to spend in the good old hard learning command line to replicate, say, 5% of Intellij Idea's refacto…
That's pure demagoguery. As is, really, the rest of your response.
> Two afternoons learning CodeMod would provide a lifetime of infinite capabilities
That's not the answer to the question. So, you've learned CodeMod scripts . How much timeyou will then have to spend to replicate 5% of IntelliJ's refactoring capabilities? And while you're struggling to replicate that, how many capabilities you're missing out on?
Because there are so many tools it is not obvious which tools should I should use when and in which order. And it depends on the context. Should I search for a string globally or in the current file? Or current directory or project? Should I split the code-editor vertically or not, or should I split it horizontally.
What I'm fascinated by is how working with an IDE it feels like I'm constantly creating a program in my head for myself to execute, to use the tools and functions of the IDE in a given sequence. I am thinking ahead what tasks I need to do and then I do them, in other words I am writing a program in my head for myself to execute.
I wonder if people are doing this kind of thing generally, or think of it this way?
Having spent a few years in Perl I understand some of the frustration of an IDE. I find dynamic languages don't gain a lot from an IDE. But if you're in something with stronger types like Java, typescript or F# the IDE is a God send. The best tool ever is refactor rename. When the IDE can parse your entire code base and rename just the function or variable you want it's amazing. Go to definition is worlds better too.…
Well, what's the old saying - nothing can parse Perl, but Perl? As for JS and IDEs, you should try an IDE again. Far better.
I will have to try on next time I'm in plain JS. It doesn't happen often. I have a preference for strongly typed languages. I suspect I have something similar to dyslexia. I mix the spelling of words and sometimes even the words. Strong typing is the tool that makes that problem go away.