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Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by vaneck »

gallamine wrote: post #70
buro9 wrote: post #25

These are the AdBlock Facebook rules you want: ||facebook.com^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||facebook.net^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||fbcdn.com^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||fbcdn.net^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net The key is to allow FB's CDN when on FB, but to disallow it and everything else when no…

What are the ramifications of doing this? Is all explicit sharing also disabled?

You can always use what I call "old school" sharing - just copy & paste the relevant URL in a status update.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by CGamesPlay »

NHQ wrote: post #71

I have an idea: Use their cookies against them. Build a plugin that anonymously and randomly swaps cookie values amongst the people using it. Could possible make use of telehash.org or like.

Would you really run the risk of accidentally letting a random person into your Facebook account?

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by dewitt »

hunter42 wrote: post #93

Between Google Analytics (which everyone seems to have nowadays), Adsense and now the +1 button, Google has been master of user tracking. Facebook only has things I chose to share, but Google can tie everything to my private emails through Gmail and all the creepy search terms I might have ever used. How do we stop them?

You can opt-out: https://www.google.com/privacy/ads/

Or from Analytics: http://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout

And permanently delete your web history: https://www.google.com/history

And you can take your data with you when you go: https://www.google.com/takeout/

Privacy center: http://www.google.com/intl/en/privacy/

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by infinity »

0x12 wrote: post #19

Imperfect hosts list, there may be more 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 fbcdn.net 127.0.0.1 www.fbcdn.net It sure seems to speed up using the web.

Here is some more:

0.0.0.0 badge.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 blog.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 en-gb.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 developers.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 touch.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 de-de.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 stories.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 it-it.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 hu-hu.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 peace.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 et-ee.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 az-az.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 0.facebook.com

0.0.0.0 apps.facebook.com

I always use 0.0.0.0 (which is really wrong) instead of 127.0.0.1 (which really exists, there is my local apache), this works on Linux and Windows systems.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by infinity »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #102
NHQ wrote: post #71

I have an idea: Use their cookies against them. Build a plugin that anonymously and randomly swaps cookie values amongst the people using it. Could possible make use of telehash.org or like.

Would you really run the risk of accidentally letting a random person into your Facebook account?

I also think that this is a bad idea. This form of cookie sharing has been done many years ago and I don't remember the details of the story tonight. In the end it really freaked people out when they suddenly had user priviledges of other users on popular websites.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by infinity »

0x12 wrote: post #60
lurker19 wrote: post #59

This is like the old meme "If you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook." There's no solution to "I like using Facebook but I don't like Facebook using me." If you don't want Facebook to talk to your computer, don't let your computer talk to Facebook.

But it's not that simple now, is it? Facebook infests your life whether you want it or not and does not have a 'no thanks' or 'yes please' option that will kill all their cruft on a thousand and one websites. On a typical day of surfing you probably load their widgets 100's if not 1000's of times through all the sites that place the cruft on their pages. Whether or not you hit a page with a facebook widget on it is u…

And even if you know where you can find the hosts file and know what it's good for, it is tedious to collect all the domains and subdomains and add them to the file. There is no wildcard mechanism like *.facebook.com to block all subdomains.

Another solution is to set up a local proxy and apply filter rules, but this is also complicated.

I would love to agree with everybody who says: You don't like Facebook, then simply don't use it. I don't have an account there, but their clutter is everywhere on the web, "like" buttons and stuff like that. I wish that people who maintain their own website or blog would think more about these things and their consequences, before they add fancy buttons to their page layout from a third party site.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by sneak »

mckoss wrote: post #37
sneak wrote: post #23

I haven't looked, but I would bet any money that Google does the exact same thing, too.

This seems like a gross privacy violation to not honor the logout button, and continue to track the account ID of the user. I would be very surprised if Google were doing this too. And I would be surprised if Facebook were not hauled into court over this (at least in the EU if not in the US).

Logout has never meant "stop using unique id cookie tracking". Ad networks have been using them forever even without login/logout functionality.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by sneak »

brown9-2 wrote: post #31
nikcub wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not that I want to turn this into a pissing contest, but I emailed this to them on the 14th of November 2010. I emailed them again on the 12th of January this year. I have been sitting on it for that long. I updated my post to make that clear, that this is an issue that is almost a year old.

You are not going to hear back from Facebook because they will not believe this is an "issue".

Precisely - this is a design feature, working as intended.

Re: Logging out of Facbook is not enough

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Post by AJ007 »

jrockway wrote: post #56
16s wrote: post #43

I blackhole facebook.com at the domain level using pdnsd: neg { name=facebook.com; types=domain; } I have no idea why people are so eager to give away their privacy to Facebook and others to sell and whore-out to the highest bidder. It's akin to getting a handful of bright, pretty beads for your property.

What sort of sales and whoring-out has Facebook done? Is there really any value in one's social graph, or do we just hope there is so we can hate Facebook for being evil instead of for making us realize how dumb our friends are?

As someone whose bought a ton of advertising on Google, and some on Facebook, there is a hell of a lot of value in the social graph.

With Google you bid contextually, that is, you are guessing that because the page is about (for example) "The Beatles" that the people there are interested in The Beatles. This is generally right. But, you have no idea about the demographics of the viewers. Just knowing if someone is under 18 or over 21 pretty much means whether or not they have any ability to purchase your product after clicking your ad. And these demographic/behavioral trends go much deeper.

On Facebook you buy an ad based on the users demographics (age, gender, etc.) and what they explicitly said they were interested in. Most people don't list every single interest. Facebook, by pulling in all this external data now has a shitload more stuff advertisers can target ads on. Instead of targeting the tiny fraction of people who put "The Beatles" as their interests, now advertisers will be able to target users that are likely interested in The Beatles because they do things like, listen to The Beatles every week, or all their friends listened to The Beatles this month.

Its very likely that Facebook will be able to beat Google's CPMs with this deep targeting ability. Whether or not its planned, I expect that Facebook will attempt to syndicate their advertising and compete directly with Google

Users should be very concerned. Advertisers can figure out a lot about you based on you clicking an ad that they targeted to a narrow set of specifications. You might think the ad is about free ipods but its really only being displayed to users that did a certain set of criteria. This can and will be abused. To a limited extent it already is.

Back when Facebook first rolled out their ad network, there was an advertiser or two who figured out you could target females that were engaged, and by insulting their weight get them to buy their weight loss pills.

As you can imagine, Google needs a large Google + user base so they can build their own dat aset to sell ads based off of.

Ironically the next Facebook killer social network will likely have the main selling point of privacy. I'd sign up. Google + is not it.

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