Ive been experimenting with Kagi lately. It seems very promising. The results have been fairly reliable at all types of queries except the ones where I straight up ask google a question.
Anyone else tried it?
Google Search Is Dying
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#102What does this say about the valuation of Reddit?
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#103It's already dead. Google mined all the links that were curated by the initial internet communities for all it was worth and turned them into profits for Google's earliest employees and shareholders. Now that no one is curating useful links anymore their search quality, unsurprisingly, is deteriorating. Without human curation there is no signal for Google to use anymore and whatever signal is there is just SEO spam t…
Wonder how we could set up an alt-web without the incentives that cause this problem. Delist any for-profit site? How would the sites keep the lights on without ads?
There’s no better solution - you either have ads or a paywall, which will result in few users.
If there were a better solution we’d all already be using it. Certainly you can rely on savvy people to produce free stuff, but the total amount of content will be drastically lower and therefore fewer consumers.
The best thing is to just use bookmarks and your favorite sites’ own search.
There’s just too much trash on the net
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#104I’ve posited repeatedly that when Reddit IPOs, I’ll be reallocating a significant chunk of my portfolio into their stock. Their management has historically lacked focus, but if Reddit ever builds a half-competent search index, and positions itself as a search-first, discovery-second destination, they will be in the FANG tier of stocks. They have the data. They have the dedicated, active user base. They have free mode…
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About the "dead internet conspiracy" - I've worked in writing how-to articles for a fairly large "help" website. They paid very little attention to the quality of the articles. I was paid for each piece and thus had about 30 minutes to write an article and later integrate feedback from internal review. Otherwise the payment became too low. The most important factor was cramming SEO terms and links to keep people on t…
Regardless of automation, there will always be jobs that are so "dumb" but still expensive to automate that people can do cheaper then machines.
Within the last 6 months I’m seeing a rise of very good NLP content farms that almost have what I’m looking for but not quite. I think what they do is start off a transformer based NLP with example queries that others have searched for and it generates a realistic looking answer that’s usually wrong. The scale and breadth of these could only be done by machines.
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#106There have been many interesting threads recently about the decline of Google's search quality here on HN. There's zero doubt search results are getting worse, and that ads and spam are the cause. But Google's financial performance has been going from record to record. So there is a huge disconnect building in the market. Each thread has had some common themes, but what's surprising is how different the problems disc…
I'm always interested what people make or do, do you have some sort of link?
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#108Still in shock that they killed reverse image search and replaced it with some useless AI tech demo. It used to use the actual image and be able to provide context from where that image was found elsewhere. Now it seems to throw the image at AI and the AI will go "Oh that's a street" then they will just show you streets with similar colors as the image you put in. Completely useless for trying to locate what movie a…
> Still in shock that they killed reverse image search
How is this shocking? Google has a very strong track record in killing useful services.
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#109Ive been experimenting with Kagi lately. It seems very promising. The results have been fairly reliable at all types of queries except the ones where I straight up ask google a question. Anyone else tried it? https://kagi.com/
Yeah, I like Kagi - and I even talked to the founder about working there. It doesn't do well at questions, and doesn't have some of google's widgets (e.g. currency conversion) but it's better than duckduckgo.
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#110The other day I was searching for a specific kind of jewelry and realized I don't know of a search engine that can do what I needed, which is to just find good results for my search. Searches for jewelry-related keywords triggered Google to go 90+% ads, and their results (and other search engines' results) were so junked up with spam and the same couple sites over and over that they were useless. We're back to the We…
> We're back to the Web needing a search engine. I feel like that this has not changed the last 20 years. Yes - google was at some point like a miracle that seemed to solve lots of problems around searching the www for information. While google "refined" its search and monetarized it the web still evolved and is evolving to something.. different. Many of websites most people already know, competing around google top…
>The web is still young and no one really knows what it will be in the future.
My fear is that walled gardens might win in the future because who guarantees you that websites won't move to Facebook Pages, Facebook Groups, Slack and Discord channels etc. Open web is weaker than ever just look at LinkedIn; walled garden, throws you Register form in the face when you try to access it and won't let anybody crawl or scrape their content except Google who drives more traffic to their walled garden.