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MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

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Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#102
- While the effort to create fonts is not trivial and should be rewarded, this seems expensive. I've bought fonts before, but they were like $5-15, not $100. - It's fantastic to see the variety of human experience on display in the wide variety of font preferences. I used to thing "why to we need more than one?" LOL - My favorite so far is Source Code Pro.

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

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post #78

I'm going to hop on my hobby horse again for a second: One of their first points is this: >Designing a monospace font is much harder than a traditional, proportional one: being constrained by the same width of all glyphs can result in a boring or unreadable font. And they're absolutely right. But it begs the first-principals question-- why code using a monospace font? Today, every major editor that isn't terminal-bas…

> why code using a monospace font?

Because unlike prose, we don’t reason about code in terms of words, sentences or paragraphs but rather in terms of statements, lines and blocks. Navigating between visual lines vertically makes sense when navigating in code. And to optimize this kind of navigation, monospace fonts are the best choice because where your cursor lands is predictible. It also brings cool features such as block selection which you can’t implement properly with proportional fonts.

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#104
post #59

I am the only one who finds fonts a bit expensive for personal use? It is not a rant, I am not saying it isn't worth it, that font designers can't make money, etc... But that puts it on the same level as tools like Sublime Text or Beyond Compare. For me, it is enough of a turn off not to use a commercial font, especially considering that the free offering is quite good. I totally understand the higher price for comme…

Same here. I liked it and wanted to buy it, but I didn't want to give €55. If it was 30 or 28.XX something, I will be using it already.

It is nothing rational, just a buyer's reaction to a product and its price.

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#105
post #24

Unfortunately not available to compare on https://www.programmingfonts.org/ While I'm here: Victor Mono has been my programming font of choice for a while now: https://rubjo.github.io/victor-mono/ Oh, look at that, the Victor Mono homepage has a font comparison slider that allows you to compare it to MonoLisa! MonoLisa advertises that it's wider than other monospace fonts, and you can really see that in the compariso…

Thanks. A bit narrow for my tastes but I'm impressed by the semi-cursive italic idea. Clever. Giving it a try right now!

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#106

> being constrained by the same width of all glyphs can result in a boring or unreadable font. I don't see how "boring" is an issue here. If the whole thing has a goal of functionality, why do I care if it's boring? And what is a "boring" font anyway? Reminds me of the Apple-induced desire to call everything "stunning" or "beautiful."

> I don't see how "boring" is an issue here. If the whole thing has a goal of functionality, why do I care if it's boring?

Exactly. Or actually, to go even further: On the contrary, "boring" may well be an issue, but in the sense that that's what we want. When you write code -- or prose, marketing copy, poetry, whatever -- what you want to concentrate on is the content of your text, not the esthetic of the letterforms. "Boring" is the opposite of "captures your attention", and if I want to focus my attention on the meaning of groups of letters, "boring" -- not grabbing my attention -- is exactly what I want the shapes of the letters themselves to be.

And yes, I want them all to be the same width, so I can line up repetitive bits of code (or poetry?) below each other and match -- catch -- the non-repetitive bits at a glance. (Sorry, we can't all write in bone-DRY functional languages; SQL is pretty damn verbose and often, yes, repetitive.) IMO that's part of the content I want to focus on.

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iosevka is my all-time favorite font. MonoLisa seems to sell itself on being "wide", and Iosevka is the opposite of that. Each letter is exactly .5em, which is on the very narrow side of things as monospaced fonts go. So if this thing appeals to you, Iosevka isn't the free alternative you're looking for. But if you want the nicest monospaced font in the world, then Iosevka is ;)

Iosevka also has an "extended" variant you can use, and you can create a custom build that has the width you want.

I missed that. The website lets you compare it to IBM Plex and Fira Code as well. Same width, but a little bit more contrast. Compares very favorably if you want wide.

My takeaway is that monospaced fonts are basically a solved problem thanks to Iosevka. It does everything. And you can mix and match individual glyphs to your exact preferences!

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#109

There is a font on my KDE desktop called just "Monospace" and its a great font. I can't find a font file called Monospace. Does anybody know what the font is? I would love to have it on my windows machine.

Different distributions pick different defaults for `Monospace`. If you are using KDE on ubuntu, `Monospace` might be pointing to `Ubuntu Mono`. On other linux distros if they are sticking to KDE defaults, then Monospace will point to Hack [1]

[1] https://sourcefoundry.org/hack/

Re: MonoLisa – A font designed for developers

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People charging $199 for a slightly wider Lucida Console, you can't make this shit up. The marketing is so outrageous. In case someone's seriously considering this, here are an additional two sites that have literally hundreds of CC0 and other free to use fonts, not just monospace: https://www.1001freefonts.com http://allfont.net DIN 1451 Mittelschrift is my personal favorite.

I wanted to let you know I'm upvoting you, not for the useful links you have provided, but because I also love DIN, to an unreasonable degree, like the kind of feeling that makes someone otherwise totally rational marry a pokemon. When I was about 20, after the Berlin wall came down, I rode my bike round berlin, then all round east then west Germany for three months, sleeping rough in the forest most of the time, and…

> There's a moment in the film in which hilter interacts with an unemployed labourer, and in that interaction he imbues this guy with a sense of purpose, hitler has told him he is a soldier - a soldier with a shovel, it's nonsense, but it is carefully crafted nonsense.

Well, maybe not total nonsense? The same kind of thing seems to have worked elsewhere too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

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