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Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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>Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point.

This is not porn site's fault, parents should be aware of what their children see online.

>Experts who work with children say it gives them unhealthy views of sex and consent, putting them at risk from predators and possibly stopping them reporting abuse.

LOL. Instead of educating children about sex and consent, they instead prefer to put the burden on the porn sites.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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post #82
post #49

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There are a variety of documented undesirable side effects of heavy pornographic use [0],[1], including issues with mental health, sexual disfunction, and the ability to maintain normal romantic relationships. It may be hard to stop, but that doesn’t mean there’s not a problem. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7835260/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/

Skimming these, neither of those papers appears to document any demonstrable links. They're relying on self reporting in surveys and case studies that seems to produce what is at best correlation, potentially heavily biased by the self-reporting from people who at least judging by the case studies I skim appears to have to some degree self-diagnosed issues they may or may not have been right about.

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Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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post #82
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a variety of documented undesirable side effects of heavy pornographic use [0],[1], including issues with mental health, sexual disfunction, and the ability to maintain normal romantic relationships. It may be hard to stop, but that doesn’t mean there’s not a problem. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7835260/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/

Skimming these, neither of those papers appears to document any demonstrable links. They're relying on self reporting in surveys and case studies that seems to produce what is at best correlation, potentially heavily biased by the self-reporting from people who at least judging by the case studies I skim appears to have to some degree self-diagnosed issues they may or may not have been right about.

I made a previous comment that I deleted because it was a bit sarcastic which doesn’t help the conversation. More seriously:

If you’re raising children, do you attempt to place safeguards in your family to prevent the potential outcomes discussed in the papers, or do you dismiss them because the correlations aren’t strong enough?

Never before in human history has the volume and type of pornography been so universally available. We’re in brand new territory here, and I think it’s worth paying attention to even self-reported anecdotes as the science is still being settled.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skimming these, neither of those papers appears to document any demonstrable links. They're relying on self reporting in surveys and case studies that seems to produce what is at best correlation, potentially heavily biased by the self-reporting from people who at least judging by the case studies I skim appears to have to some degree self-diagnosed issues they may or may not have been right about.

I made a previous comment that I deleted because it was a bit sarcastic which doesn’t help the conversation. More seriously: If you’re raising children, do you attempt to place safeguards in your family to prevent the potential outcomes discussed in the papers, or do you dismiss them because the correlations aren’t strong enough? Never before in human history has the volume and type of pornography been so universally…

I dismiss them because there's literally decades worth of research into the effects of porn which to my knowledge has failed to come up with anything more than very minor effects, and when the best that's coming up now is some poorly constructed survey papers trying to infer things from self-reporting it's a strong indication there's nothing worth paying attention to, given the amount of effort and money that has been poured into it from groups with a strong interest in finding something.

If I trusted self-reported anecdotes I'd also seek to protect my family against ghosts, extra-terrestrial probing sessions and vengeful gods, among a long range of other risks I don't take seriously. If you can't provide evidence that gives a stronger indication of a damaging effect than that, I'll treat it the same way I threat those risks. If anything, if those studies are the best you can find it reassures me that the risks are near non-existent.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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post #107

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by looking at it?

ever hear the term "mouth watering"

And this is such a problem we have kids running around becoming dehydrated from all the mouth watering?

Or perhaps breasts, vaginas and penises are not like fruit at all? Do most people get sexually aroused from fruit? No. Do most people get sexually aroused when they see the sexual parts of of the sex they’re interested in? Yes.

Fruit is not the same as sex, and I can’t believe this even has to be explained.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

#109
post #79

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Did you see them also having hardcore sex constantly? Because that's the true equivalent here.

The claim I replied to came in response to a chain where this is what I initially reacted to: > Fruit and nudity are not the same. Fruit doesn’t trigger hormonal responses, nudity does. Nothing about hardcore sex. That your intent with the comment further above that was about sex is irrelevant to what I replied to.

It’s called context, the entire subject is about pornography not nudity.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ever hear the term "mouth watering"

And this is such a problem we have kids running around becoming dehydrated from all the mouth watering? Or perhaps breasts, vaginas and penises are not like fruit at all? Do most people get sexually aroused from fruit? No. Do most people get sexually aroused when they see the sexual parts of of the sex they’re interested in? Yes. Fruit is not the same as sex, and I can’t believe this even has to be explained.

No one is saying it is!
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