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Uyghur kids detail abuse at China's boarding schools in Xinjiang

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I'd like to know how https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=rayiner feels about this.

China vs Islam. I would love to know what comes up on top. Which is the bigger baddie?

ID=rayiner, as far as I know there's no user tagging for hackernews, but I KNOW you've see seen the post. What's your opinion?

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You read about horrible things that happened in the 1800s and your takeaway is... we should allow such things to happen again today? Can you elaborate a little bit?

Slightly off topic but I extremely worried about schools shying away from teaching the horrific things that their countries have done in the past. You can't sugar coat things like slavery and colonization. Especially with the fight against "CRT" in many US schools we're seeing this happen increasingly in recent years.

CRT is not the correct way to interface with the United State’s checkered past. Human history is a horror show. It is up to us to live ethically. Segregating schools into a race-based dichotomy of oppressor/oppressed will not accomplish that.

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This sounds like 50 cent army stuff for what it is worth: https://www.voanews.com/a/who-is-that-chinese-troll/3540663....

There is not correct and incorrect, there are independent thinkers (who want to meddle in China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela) and there are paid shills. No one is ever a paid shill for US imperialism, NED grants are for independent thinkers...

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Re: Uyghur kids detail abuse at China's boarding schools in Xinjiang

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1. I always check the country of origin before buying. I still buy China-made products when there's absolutely no other option, but whenever there's an alternative made anywhere outside China (whether higher priced, or even slightly inferior), I buy that instead. 2. Going to fund the development (since I can't do this myself) of a browser plugin to help people find non-China goods on Amazon easily. Just two features:…

Where can I follow you on the plug-in? I’d like it too. And also a bit of a down side of current browser finger printing is that ability to infer the different kinds of plugins, in which this is quite a political signal

We'll do a Show HN once we have the basics in place (team, discussion forum etc). Thanks for your interest.

Good point about browser fingerprinting.

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Trying to buy as many things that are not made in China as possible, even if I have to spend more since in most cases that means buying a better product, and in others buying fewer products. I was recently pleasantly surprised to see that the M1 iMac was made in Thailand.

Thailand has a rampant slave problem. Their seafood industry is propped up by slaves and the sex slavery that’s prevalent throughout the country is sickening. The ongoing human rights abuses and absolute suppression of anyone who questions the king is also terrifying. After going to Thailand and seeing the situation there first hand, I’ve decided to never buy a Thai product ever again.

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but given the choice between China and Thailand, I'll take made in Thailand anyday. But, that's just me.

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Thailand has a rampant slave problem. Their seafood industry is propped up by slaves and the sex slavery that’s prevalent throughout the country is sickening. The ongoing human rights abuses and absolute suppression of anyone who questions the king is also terrifying. After going to Thailand and seeing the situation there first hand, I’ve decided to never buy a Thai product ever again.

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but given the choice between China and Thailand, I'll take made in Thailand anyday. But, that's just me.

I've been to both.

Thailand is the place where I felt like I could be arrested for being slightly out of line and had to tread very carefully. People in China had no problem complaining about their government, and there aren't portraits of their dear leader plastered everywhere like in Thailand.

I also never saw people openly using drugged up and sedated kids as a begging tool in China, but I sure did in Thailand.

The perception of the countries always feels astonishingly backwards to me.

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> In quiet, polite voices, Aysu and Lütfullah Kuçar describe the nearly 20 months they spent in state boarding schools in China's western region of Xinjiang, forcibly separated from their family. > Under the watchful gaze of their father, the two ethnically Uyghur children say that their heads were shaved and that class monitors and teachers frequently hit them, locked them in dark rooms and forced them to hold stres…

Sounds like what the US and Canadian government did to indigenous children. That's not to excuse anything the Chinese government does but it feels like they dusted off an old playbook.

> But they say the worst punishment was being sent to the school's basement. Lütfullah says the teachers told him ghosts lived there, and children including him were locked there in the dark, alone, for hours at a time.

I wasn't aware the US or Canadian governments had institutionalized these kinds of punishment (or similar) to specifically indigenous people in a peaceful period. Was this really the case and were could I read more about it?

In any case I don't think it's fair to compare present crimes of a country with past crimes of another, if anything, it would be fair to compare present crimes of both countries. It's hard to find a country a century ago that didn't behave like an absolute savage.

Re: Uyghur kids detail abuse at China's boarding schools in Xinjiang

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I'm not doubting what you're saying, but given the choice between China and Thailand, I'll take made in Thailand anyday. But, that's just me.

I've been to both. Thailand is the place where I felt like I could be arrested for being slightly out of line and had to tread very carefully. People in China had no problem complaining about their government, and there aren't portraits of their dear leader plastered everywhere like in Thailand. I also never saw people openly using drugged up and sedated kids as a begging tool in China, but I sure did in Thailand. Th…

What's the equivalent of Tibet and Xinjiang in the context of Thailand - basically state sponsored concentration camps and genocide?

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I talked about this recently, and I was reminded of the Blackhawk War. I have read Blackhawk's memoirs, because it's such a part of my community, but nobody knows it. There were extenuating circumstances (the British gun-running down the Mississipi). U.S. forces suffered important defeats (Campbell's Island, and the Battle of Credit Island that humbled future president Zachary Taylor.) I learned from another source t…

> Are we truly clean to judge? What kind of weird deflection is this? The US having done some horrible stuff in the past (or present) doesn't somehow excuse China doing horrible things too.

Christianity, for one, has this kind of thinking.

“If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her”

https://www.gotquestions.org/without-sin-cast-first-stone.ht...

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