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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by meragrin_ »

klyrs wrote: post #79
laughingpine wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this is just one part of the protest, but what is happening in Coutts is illegal. Alberta passed an act recently (2020) restricting where you can protest - https://www.alberta.ca/protecting-critical-infrastructure.as... The Coutts border crossing and highway is currently blocked. This is in contravention of the Critical Infrastructure Act as highways are included.

IIRC, bill C-51 defined this as an act of terrorism . Wonder how that's going to play out. When it's indigenous people blocking a pipeline, the SWAT teams come out.

> When it's indigenous people blocking a pipeline, the SWAT teams come out.

After how many court proceedings?

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by chroem- »

nitwit005 wrote: post #85
ctoth wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

It's not as if everyone who committed crimes while those 2020 protests were going on got away with it. They did arrest people. And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum. They often didn't have anything to do with the protests, and were just taking advantage of the police being busy.

> And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum.

I beg to differ. Any attempts to contain the mass violence were decried as "Trumpist fascism".

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by MatteoFrigo »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #24
chermi wrote: post #9

Is the money that was already donated still accessible? This doesn't sit well with me. I guess it's a private company, but damn.

It sounds like they froze everything as is. If they can't legally release the funds to they'd likely just refund the people who donated.

A lawyer for the movement gave a press conference today, saying approximately the following. Because it is complicated for GoFundMe to distribute funds to individual truckers, GFM is exercising heightened due diligence, as they should. Meanwhile, the movement is setting up a nonprofit company, with all the proper auditing and accounting mechanisms in place. Once everything is ready, GFM will distribute the money to a trust fund managed by the company, and truckers will issue claims against the fund.

Edit: link: https://rumble.com/vtz6fg-freedom-convoy-2022-press-conferen... starts around 5:00

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by ipaddr »

jeromegv wrote: post #53
colpabar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What swastikas?

Swastikas flag were seen at the protest. Also very far-right and nazis groups have joined the protest and were close to the organizers https://www.antihate.ca/the_freedom_convoy_is_nothing_but_a_...

There are many people of different colours at the protests. Do you paint them as nazi because someone had a flag? I saw a flag from Norway, is Norway suddenly behind this?

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by prepend »

mikeyouse wrote: post #51
colpabar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What swastikas?

These truckers (and most antivaxxers) somehow think they're as stigmatized as the Jews were during WWII so they often wear yellow stars, compare themselves to Anne Frank, and have signs with the SS moniker / draw swastikas over the flags to demonstrate how oppressed they are.. a few made it on TV while the MP was talking to the news crews. Whenever there's anything remotely anti-government the Gadsen/Confederate batt…

Those first three images seem pretty unequivocally using nazi imagery to critique Canada. So they aren’t Nazis, they are people complaining that Canada is acting like Nazis.

I haven’t followed this but have heard friends saying that Nazis are participating. I would expect that this means some Nazis were participating. But these images don’t show that.

The confederate flags just seem like jerks.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by toast0 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

Ignoring the question of if it's unlawful or not; mass arrests are kind of difficult to do, and mass towing is kind of difficult to do (and I don't know if tow truck drivers are aligned with those in the convoy, but they might be?). Neither of these things are without consequences, either. As long as the protesters are mostly peaceful and respecting property (which I think seems to be the case, but I haven't spent a lot of time looking into this), encouraging the group to disperse without use of force would probably have better outcomes than escalating the conflict with arrests or towing.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by prepend »

chana_masala wrote: post #49
bawolff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

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Who paid an actor to wave a swastika?

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by koenigdavidmj »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

So you arrest them all.

Now they can’t drive away the trucks in downtown Ottawa. You just exhausted all your leverage with them when you decided to throw the book at them.

You call a tow truck driver. They say “I don’t have a class 3 tow truck, there’s no way I can move a semi.”

You call a class 3 tow truck driver. They know they’re risking their reputation with the trucking industry, so they refuse. If they’re the trolling sort, they say they have COVID.

Now what? There’s a lot of mess to clean up, and you don’t have the equipment you need to do it.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by MatteoFrigo »

cal5k wrote: post #96
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

> okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. The pearl-clutching about this protest has been something else.

One can listen to the organizers directly to find out who they are and what they want: https://rumble.com/vtp2lw-freedom-convoy-organizers-press-co... You may agree or not agree, but as an added bonus you'll learn something about the economics of the trucking business.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by colpabar »

tonfreed wrote: post #74

Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.

What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?
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