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Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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I was making a general point about an analogy with ‘never get fired for buying IBM’ - which of course wasn’t 100% true either. I get it that Apple products aren’t perfect but in general for most consumers it’s a safe bet.

And IBM lost that status after they decided to tank the relative quality of their product. I presume Apple will suffer the same fate.

IBM lost their status because the centre of gravity of the computing world moved on, not because of any product quality issues.

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#102
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> Those teens can choose between Twitter, Youtube, Discord, iMessage, Signal, Telegram, TikTok, Reddit, Twitch, along with, you know, the rest of the public internet. So you just demonstrated that teens have so much choice. Why are you concerned that they're doing it on an Apple device then, if an iPhone is just the hardware on which all these apps operate, and has nothing to do with what's said within the apps?

Because regardless of which service they choose to use, Apple controls the platform they’re running on in every case. They actually don’t have a meaningful choice in that area. Imagine it was Amazon in this situation. Or Microsoft. Or Google. Or, gasp , Facebook. Where 90% of teens were using a hardware and software platform made by one company. Seems like a problem, right? Imagine how much people would be freaking o…

It doesn’t seem like a problem at all. You seem to be just saying that without explaining it.

The communication is not being done using software that Apple provides.

People have a vast array of choices for communications and Apple isn’t harming that.

In addition, there is nothing preventing Google or Facebook from executing on what Apple does other than their own lack of focus.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

#104
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I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box. But I’ve never had a Dell or HP laptop come without a bezel scratch or something like that. So in my books, Apple are still a league ahead on quality, even.

I’m talking about myriad software bugs.

it blows my mind every day how they screwed up somewhat very good native mail client. once I've updated to iOS14, daily:

- my mail will disappear. I would open a folder and see emails from 2007 at the top... wait and see he is loading them again and more are popping up.. takes few minutes to catch up with 2021.

- my contacts will not work when I start typing email. literally sometimes the do sometimes they don't

- emails that previously were formatted well, would be crashing with odd CSS issues I never seen before

- I would click email.. start reading, then it would shift to the next email.. on its own!

- I had few emails automatically disappear for good... only to find them in trash folder.

Its a disaster. A classical situation where after a system update I'm banging my head against the wall "why the heck did I do that??"

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

#105

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And IBM lost that status after they decided to tank the relative quality of their product. I presume Apple will suffer the same fate.

IBM lost their status because the centre of gravity of the computing world moved on, not because of any product quality issues.

Not selling what people want is a better way to phrase it.

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#106

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IBM lost their status because the centre of gravity of the computing world moved on, not because of any product quality issues.

Not selling what people want is a better way to phrase it.

Right and the think it’s very likely that Apple will remain a very big player in smartphones for a long time - even today IBM dominates mainframes even if no one really cares.

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> China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy. Given that they are hitting a demographic cliff in a few years, it is not so guaranteed anymore. It will be an interesting next couple of decades for China. > This year they grew at 8.5 % A lot of that is real estate, the same real estate that speculators are banking on will sell to poor farmers for a million dollars when they re-lo…

Sure and that slows GDP growth by 40-50%. They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. Demographic doom is frequently cited for China but I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline.

> They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years.

The problem is that their average age moves up, and productivity decreases as people hit or near retirement. Unless China starts opening up to immigration (not impossible), they are going to be Japan without being rich yet.

> I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics.

Europe has immigration. China does not. If China is willing to embrace e.g. the African aspiring immigrants who have come to Guangzhou in recent years, things could change quickly, but I'm not really seeing. Japan did not, and that's why you can get a house for a reasonable price in Tokyo these days.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

#108
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> you should try implementing customer acquisition and go-to market strategies I'd try but Apple doesn't let its customers willingly install my app from me or any other open-source repository they might choose. If the only option is the App Store, it's not very surprising that the App Store is good for customer acquisition. You literally cannot acquire them any other way, you are artificially prevented by Apple's ant…

Apple doesn't stop you from installing open source iOS applications. I do it all the time without having to go through the App Store.

How?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

#109
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Quarter after quarter Tim Cook just mic drops these earnings. Remember all the “Apple is doomed, Tim is a bean counter” comments when Jobs handed over the reigns? Yea. Ok.

What percent of revenue is from iPhone? This is what makes me nervous. They struck absolute gold with the iPhone, what happens if they don't catch the next wave?

Apple typically tries to enter an existing product category that they think they can execute better on or otherwise disrupt.

Depending on your viewpoint these can be highly disruptive plays - smart phones were going no place for many demographics until the iPhone came out. Android was going to be a cheaper blackberry clone until they saw what iPhone was doing.

But another view of the iPad famously was the Slashdot single-line review, "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

Phones were a bit of a blind spot in the market. There should have been a lot more investment going on.

Phones are expensive devices that people update often (with "often" really being a function of the demographic), where the price was disguised in many markets via carrier subsidies and cellular contracts. The carriers were often trying to figure out how to get more customers and get them to pay for more services, so charging for data tiers on top of minutes and messaging was attractive.

Nokia had teams that understood this and obviously the company in general was capitalizing on how much money was going into phones, but they were highly dysfunctional in terms of massive amounts of duplicated work (e.g. little commonalities between hardware or OS on dozens of phones released every year). An example of Nokia trying to leverage cellphones to go into a new market would be the N-Gage.

In terms of markets they tend to go after, VR would be the one where I might worry they missed the wave. Some of that is not knowing if VR actually has broad demographic appeal though - there are technology leaps still needed for many people to tolerate longer headset usage, and most computer applications aren't really VR as much as they are 'large virtual monitor' - you don't see N-dimensional word processing as much as games and experiences. Their money is obviously on AR having much broader appeal.

There are certainly cases where market disruption attempts have failed, such as the HomeKit ecosystem. The more open (and cheaper) ecosystems that Google and Amazon have had managed to get significantly more adoption by manufacturers. For that reason they now seem to be aligning much more with and driving new industry standards instead, such as Matter.

All the rumors about them investing toward a full self-driving car product is really odd, because it goes against so much of their formula for incremental evolution of product lines - seems about as likely as them releasing a television or refrigerator.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was making a general point about an analogy with ‘never get fired for buying IBM’ - which of course wasn’t 100% true either. I get it that Apple products aren’t perfect but in general for most consumers it’s a safe bet.

And IBM lost that status after they decided to tank the relative quality of their product. I presume Apple will suffer the same fate.

> I presume Apple will suffer the same fate.

Why? Has there been any trend to indicate they're headed in this direction?

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