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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes companies use their failed or loss making products to help promote their successful products. YouTube is a prime example

What failed/loss-making products is Google using to promote YouTube?

you think YouTube is profitable?

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

AI cannot replace doctors. It can help doctors a lot but not replace.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I worked for one of the companies that IBM acquired to make this non-product.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merge-healthcare-m-a-ibm/...

I have no idea what they got for the money they spent. Merge Healthcare was the most miserable work experience I have ever had. They had patents, I guess, but the actual technology was garbage. And the owner was…a piece of work, let's say that.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/675961765/tribune-tronc-and-b...

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

They do "boring" IT like making ticketing systems for the railways and metros.

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A friend of mine wanted to show off his Tesla by making it come to the front of the restaurant from where he parked it. Like he hit a button and it was to drive up. It got stuck somehow and was diagonal in the row. He was like “ehh sometimes it doesn’t work.” AI in general is very over stated. When it works it’s great, when it doesn’t (which is often) then you lose all trust in it.

I think that's the wrong conclusion from this story. The conclusion I draw is that some companies (and Tesla in particular) don't appreciate the "last mile" when trying to apply AI breakthroughs to consumer products. "The plane lands safely 99% of the time" is an impressive demonstration and a completely worthless product, but if that's all you have then what can you do other than launch it?

Except all self driving AI companies have failed to achieve reliable AI.

Every single one.

So it says something about AI more than companies.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

I worked breifly at IBM research last century. The spent a lot of money on research (6 Billion). software, chip design and algorithms and a lot of just basic research.

But when I left to go back to school "global services" a business to business consulting division was the big up and coming division. It seems that division is where IBM decided to go. Honestly they'll just sell to some big businesses so likely you'll never hear about what they're doing.

I'll agree they seem to have lost their way. Its a shame really. They did some good things: I remember a lot of the engineers there would travel to schools and promote engineering careers.

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I could be mistaken because it’s been a while, but I read that Watson’s diagnostic capabilities turned out to be mostly marketing and that eventually IBM ended up hiring teams of doctors to process the diagnosis requests that were coming into Watson.

I personally feel Watson was an extremely clever marketing boondoggle. If you think of it, machine learning, neural networks and AI were just making a return into the public mind around the time they announced Watson.

I think somebody thought if they "humanized" AI by making it seem like it was a character, it would make AI seem all that much more closer to the dream.

On the face of it, not a horrible idea, but applied to what was essentially a bunch of separate algorithms.. pretty misleading, but that's just an opinion.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

Yeah like most businesses the owner his staff to help out. I’m curious what you think GPs actually make, because in the US it’s not astronomical. Watson went after the wrong problem— doctors don’t comprise huge amounts of healthcare spending. It’s a recurring issue, tech thinks they have a solution and in reality the devs don’t have a good grasp on the actual landscape they’re playing in.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

I assume that you're from the US? Those are both people problems. Tech can't solve many people problems, especially something as entrenched as healthcare. Isn't it huge, something like 10% of the US economy?

I thought to myself: no way can this be true. The US generates $21tr a year[1]. How can medical be $2.1tr a year?

…turns out, it’s $2.7tr!!! [2]

[1]www.tradingeconomics.com [2]https://www.statista.com/study/15826/health-care-and-social-...

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