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Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by asaddhamani »

mrkurt wrote: post #53
asaddhamani wrote: post #45

The jumps in prices for Postgres seem pretty high. The next step up from $7 is $28(4x). After that it’s $154(5.5x), and the next step up from that is $1266(8x). If I outgrow the $154 plan I have to jump to a ~$1300 plan. Is this right?

Not quite, but pricing is a little complicated AND we haven't shipped multi-shared CPU VMs yet. Postgres prices are a function of the underlying resources. There are a bunch of steps between $7 and $28, you can put any size volume you want on your Postgres cluster and run 512MB or 1GB of RAM. 1GB RAM + 10GB volumes would be $14.40, for example. Dedicated CPU VM types are much more powerful than the shared CPU. So the…

Thanks for clearing that up

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by nextaccountic »

mrkurt wrote: post #47
bachmeier wrote: post #41

Curious as to the motivation for this. I've never heard of this company, but the pricing page says the cheapest PG cluster is $6.88 per month. Is that enough to keep their target customers from using their service?

It's an attempt to reduce friction. Developers try services like ours out for fun before they use them in anger. Putting a price on the fun stuff keeps people from trying it. It's not that $6.88/mo is too much, it's that >$0/mo is too much for developers who are used to their side projects being subsidized by monopolies or VCs. People spend a lot of money on infrastructure when they use it in anger. Free apps cost us…

Hey, talking about friction.. in your pricing page you say https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/#managed-ssl-certificates

> Managed SSL certificates

> We use Lets Encrypt to issue certificates, and donate half of our SSL fees to them at the end of each calendar year.

> Single hostname certificates > Free for the first 10 > $0.10/mo for additional certificates

> Wildcard certificates: $2/mo

So, if my pet project needs a wildcard certificate from the get go, I go from $0/month to $2/month before writing a single line of code... can I at least run acme on my own to cut this expense, or this is prohibited?

Actually, to think about it.. Let's Encrypt is free. Is charging for it a significant revenue stream? I would love to see the rationale for that, because it seems to me that this hits small customers disproportionately.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by flowcont »

indigodaddy wrote: post #74
mrkurt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We include 160GB of outbound bandwidth per month: https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/#free-allowances

Oh that’s right, I misremembered from when I was researching you guys last year. It’s persistent volumes that aren’t in the free tier. In any case, an extremely generous free tier.

From their blog, they are offering 3GB of free persistent volumes: https://fly.io/blog/free-postgres/#so-we-re-really-giving-yo...

And I have obsessively started to think about what can I build to try them out, this sounds awesome.

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by mike_d »

tptacek wrote: post #96
mike_d wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is arbitrary UDP working now? I don't fault you guys for being a growing startup (we have all been there), but it would be awesome to have a way to flag an issue as "email me when this is fixed so I can come back."

Arbitrary UDP has worked since we launched UDP; it's never had a port filter or anything.

My bad, it was v6 UDP I was thinking of?

I'm a big fan of Fly and have one medium-sized app deployed to it. Just waiting on this specific issue before deploying more: https://community.fly.io/t/allow-non-root-users-to-write-to-...

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by simonw »

afandian wrote: post #99
aceelric wrote: post #98

I’ve been using Fly for my new startup that offers notifications as a service [1], and the whole setup is super easy and efficient. Since fly deploys at the edge closer to the users, our response times for notifications are 20ms on average which is mind blowing since I haven’t spent more than 1 hour on infrastructure setup. 1: https://usenative.com

What about databases? Is there a postgres-type-thing 'closer to users'?

It's worth reading the Fly piece on designing for geographically replicated PostgreSQL, it's absolutely brilliant: https://fly.io/docs/getting-started/multi-region-databases/

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by aceelric »

simonw wrote: post #105
afandian wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about databases? Is there a postgres-type-thing 'closer to users'?

It's worth reading the Fly piece on designing for geographically replicated PostgreSQL, it's absolutely brilliant: https://fly.io/docs/getting-started/multi-region-databases/

I second this

Re: Free Postgres databases for small projects

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Post by xfer »

mrkurt wrote: post #40
leerob wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like Fly is moving to usage-based pricing: https://twitter.com/mrkurt/status/1475310487864848391

This is true, but we aren't going to bill per request. We really can't, since we support arbitrary UDP and TCP services. I don't really want to promise anything we haven't shipped yet. But my perfect cloud service (a) charges me when VMs are alive and (b) gives me the tools I need to create/remove/stop/start/suspend/resume VMs based on either network activity or metrics. One flaw of Fly.io right now is that it's rela…

> charges me when VMs are alive and

You still need that capacity, don't you? You will have to adjust the pricing but i doubt it will cost either of us any less, whether you allocate it.

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