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Post by yonixw »

tsimionescu wrote: post #90
yonixw wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and…

How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, kill…

According to the UN (since 1/1/10): [1] x18 in favor of Israelis... 220-vs-4032. Most of the Palestinians (3000) were killed in Gaza. Which bring me back to my original point. Israel gave Gaza control to the Palestinians in 2005 only to wake up the next year to find Hamas taking control and later starting to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians. All the power and support they gain only mounted to terror.

I will acknowledge Israel is stronger. But I also acknowledge what happens in Gaza is 85% due to the Hamas terroristic organization being terroristic. How the hell does that even imply Israel as an apartheid. Who knows.

Is the fact the Egypt also closes the border with Gaza, Make them also an apartheid state? I guess the problem here is not Israel.

[1] https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by yyyk »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #47
rowathay wrote: post #35

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US citizen here, and you are correct. The farther left you go, the more anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic sentiment you’ll find.

Maybe in the people, but AIPAC is the most feared lobby group across both sides of the isle for politicians. Russiagate is a joke compared to how much influence they have on our foreign policy, and its a travesty that their activities and heavy-handed influence is spoken of so quietly if at all. Signed, Iraq war vet (it was more for Israels interests than ours!)

>Signed, Iraq war vet (it was more for Israels interests than ours!)

That would be odd way of serving the Israeli interest, as the actual Israeli government opposed the Iraq war and thought it would be bad for Israel:

https://forward.com/opinion/9839/sharon-warned-bush/

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by snird »

snird wrote: post #97
terr-dav wrote: post #32

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It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

This is a lie, and you have an agenda. The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by _bfhp »

The Israeli government and former government ministers also fund propaganda orgs on American soil, CAMERA and Hasbara Fellowships to name two. You could even say that every US election has been compromised by well-funded, successful foreign propaganda operations since at least 1982!

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

snird wrote: post #97
terr-dav wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

This is a lie, and you have an agenda. The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

Even if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by snird »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #105
snird wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a lie, and you have an agenda. The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

Even if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?

If he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

This is ignoring some minor details, like that Israel had to fight some real frigging wars over its bare existence, and is still facing a regional power that calls for its extinction. Looks like Israel isn't getting too much love, at least not here at HN.

I maintain that we in Israel are still a very normal, western type society, if you take all these rather extreme circumstances into consideration (and, in addition, we are getting quite a lot of tech done ;-) )

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Post by stefan_ »

rougka wrote: post #88
stefan_ wrote: post #7

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Domestic police working with intelligence services is called secret police, e.g. the Gestapo .

lol, you really went straight to the hyperbole

It's just the most well known, or do you know the НКВД

But yes, very lol kind of topic.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

The mandatory military service is likely a big part of it. Young people get trained in the intelligence units for ~1-2 years, some stay, some join the industry with high-level experience.

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Post by p1necone »

tsimionescu wrote: post #86
yonixw wrote: post #55

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Whataboutism has its limits. When the far left, specifically Tankies, and left communities online, are literally being China apologists while calling Israel a genocide-apartheid-colonial country... you kind of know the logic fallacies are the other way around.

Can you point any fingers? I have not heard any of the positions you mention from any leftist place I frequent - not from Jacobin, not from leftist YouTube, not from any member of "the squad" or any other leftist member of Congress. Who exactly are you accusing of being anti-Israel but pro-China?

I don't know who either but I suspect they're currently standing in a corn field with straw poking out from the ends of their sleeves ;).
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