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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by BoysenberryPi »

karussell wrote: post #82
uallo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that a meaningful number of users creates new accounts every 7 days just to avoid paying. Setting up a new account is usually enough work that it is not worth it. But if that is the case for your service, here are three things from the top of my head that might even work. If instead you just block disposable email addresses, I might as well look somewhere else. * Reduce the trial period for users with a dispo…

Thanks, the first idea is a really good one for our use case. (the other ideas won't work unfortunately) And yes, it is not a meaningful number of people that do so, but over time this is very ugly and frustrating (as it requires manual intervention) and you block the disposable Email provider they used ...

> but over time this is very ugly and frustrating (as it requires manual intervention) and you block the disposable Email provider they used ...

This seems like an ego issue honestly. Like you feel like you are being taken advantage of. If only a very small numbers of users are doing this then I don't see it worth the dev time to block the email providers they use possibly hurting valid customers. Just leave it alone. I use Relay for services I genuinely pay for but don't want to give out my email address in case of leaks.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by cardamomo »

commoner wrote: post #36
josephcsible wrote: post #24

I wish Google would start offering disposable relay emails that were indistinguishable from their regular ones, since nobody could afford to block all of @gmail.com.

Fastmail offers disposable email addresses (Masked Email addresses) on its fastmail.com domain: https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406536368911-Ma... Fastmail does have undisclosed limits, however: > If you're having trouble creating new Masked Email addresses, please note that we have limits on how many new Masked Email addresses can be created within a certain amount of time to prevent abuse. It would be…

Fastmail also allows you to use a custom domain for masked email addresses. You can switch from fastmail.com to one of your custom domains.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by pooper »

Karunamon wrote: post #89
teakettle42 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It isn't spam because you don't want it. It isn’t not spam because you want to send it. You’re departing substantially from both the historical and commonly understood, contemporary definition of spam.

I see little historical precedent or common understanding for the HN definition of 'email I'd rather not have in my inbox' equating to 'spam'.

This is the subject line of an email in my inbox right now. Sure you could say the sender allows me to opt out but I shouldn't have to opt out. This isn't legally spam but I want to know what you would call this unsolicited, non-transactional commercial email.

» Your Prime Membership: {{first name}} {{last name}}, discover the latest in deals and entertainment included with Prime

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by floatingatoll »

ugjka wrote: post #19
rvnx wrote: post #8

I hope this addition will help reduce the spam on Discord. I had a talk with one of these spammers and he explained that he is unblockable because of Firefox Relay.

Doesn't discord ask for your phone number?

Many Discord servers are configured to require a validated phone number. It is up to the admins of the servers to decide whether enforcing this requirement is appropriate for their community’s needs and requirements.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by hffftz »

AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by ravenstine »

AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

Yup. Sign up for a trial of something and suddenly you're getting 3 emails a day.

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"Ravenstine, kick your goals into overdrive now"

"Check this feature out!"

"We're the best, but don't take our word for it"

"Your account is waiting for you"

"This will be like money in your pocket"

"Don't miss out on our webinar"

"The gift that keeps on giving"

"It's been a while..."

"So this is goodbye, Ravenstine?"

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by ajnin »

This project seems to work under the pretense of fighting the spammers. Maybe it actually does. But it also deprives people of their right to not be tracked constantly, to remain anonymous. A world with no crime is a world without individual freedoms. The way this is so casually and openly discussed here is slightly terrifying.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by detaro »

Aachen wrote: post #51
Seattle3503 wrote: post #3

I've started using my own domain to avoid giving out my "real" addresseverywhere. It doesn't always work, but it usually does.

Why doesn't it always work? I'm also using my own domain, not sure why'd that ever 'not work'.

Because some people implementing email rules implement stupid rules. Biggest name that I remember that silently just didn't work with a private domain was aliexpress.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by Karunamon »

pooper wrote: post #103
Karunamon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see little historical precedent or common understanding for the HN definition of 'email I'd rather not have in my inbox' equating to 'spam'.

This is the subject line of an email in my inbox right now. Sure you could say the sender allows me to opt out but I shouldn't have to opt out. This isn't legally spam but I want to know what you would call this unsolicited, non-transactional commercial email. » Your Prime Membership: {{first name}} {{last name}}, discover the latest in deals and entertainment included with Prime

>I want to know what you would call this unsolicited, non-transactional commercial email.

Commercial email, differentiated from spam in that you have a commercial relationship with Amazon that you initiated and agreed to (i.e. solicited), and as such, they are allowed to market to you until such time as you ask them to stop.

I can see my opinion on this matter isn't a common one on HN.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by spoonjim »

My solution to email spam is a second Gmail account. I use this email to sign up for everything, and it forwards to my main account, but all those emails get auto-archived on receipt. That way if I need a password link or something it’s as easy as checking my “All Mail” folder but I never see any of the spam.
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