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Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#101
The most important thing about Windows 8 is that it is Steven Sinofsky's audition for the Microsoft CEO role.

If Windows 8 is a success he has a great chance to replace Ballmer. If (and when) that happens is when people should start paying attention to what Microsoft does again.

Sinofsky is no Steve Jobs, but he is one of the few people who are proving able to consistently produce good products at Microsoft. If he ran the company they'd be a force in the industry again.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#102
I like Gruber, but this isn't his best piece. He's trying too hard to argue something that's obvious - Windows 8 is coming out in a year or more, so placing it in the competitive landscape probably requires a fairly harsh assessment. If you make a few modest projections about where the iPad and Android will be in a year (both in market/mindshare and in terms of product advancement), Windows 8 will probably be at a hard disadvantage in the consumer space.

There's a lot to discuss/praise/criticize about Windows 8 so it's a shame he got into the discussion by rising to flamebait and flailing at something resembling a criticism of MS's strategy.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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post #84

> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are." >"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real" What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not…

The majority of software on Windows boxes is pirated or free. Why would a developer write an app for Windows 8 if it's just going to be pirated endlessly? http://www.windows8update.com/2011/04/28/windows-piracy-chin...

Because, despite piracy, Windows ecosystem makes boatloads of money for many, many people.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly haven't used Lion myself but this seems to be a consensus view. "Incoherent mess" does not seem to be the consensus view. That said, I hereby reserve the right to come back in a few days under the unlikely circumstance that my machine blows up and (further unlikely circumstance) that I replace with a mac and tell you that it turns out I also find it to be an "incoherent mess".

Honestly haven't used Lion myself but this seems to be a consensus view. Don't sing its praises until you've tried it. Knocking my opinion based on your derivation of "consensus" is pretty dishonest. Launchpad/Mission Control are simply poor implementations of some sort of iOS-type experience that simply make no sense. Full screen mode on most apps is worse than Snow Leopard, the odd movement into a new screen as a s…

You might agree with the Ars Technica review regarding the UI issues too http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.a...

I haven't upgraded from Snow Leopard based on what I've read and seen on the UI. I'd basically have to turn off most of the Lion "features" and then what would be the point of even upgrading?

Don't forget about this, which basically resets Lion to better defaults: https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles/blob/master/.osx

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#105

> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are." >"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real" What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not…

Of course, the other other side of this is that Microsoft has, over the past decade or so, become a company that specializes in three things:

1. Shipping Windows, Office and XBox.

2. Showing demos of revolutionary "coming next year" technologies that never ever ship.

3. Occasionally shipping something that's not Windows, Office or XBox, and then killing it as quickly as possible.

The last two have especially dogged Microsoft's mobile efforts; every year we hear that "next year's Windows for (this year's hot mobile category) will revolutionize everything", every year we hear the cries of "at last! History will repeat and MS will crush Apple again!", and every year we realize they either never shipped last year's great mobile hope, or shipped one version of it and then announced it would be replaced by next year's great mobile hope.

So at this point, why should anyone in this industry be taking Microsoft seriously?

[Disclaimer: not MSFT employee]

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#106
post #80

> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are." >"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real" What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not…

Apple makes money chiefly by selling devices to the public. Joe needs a phone, walks into an Apple store plays with an iPhone and buys one. Suprise works here because of the burst of publicity and the ease of purchase. This approach is based on limited supply and tries to maximize dollars per unit. Microsoft's Windows platform makes money chiefly by selling OS licenses to hardware companies like Dell. Every month the…

> and tries to maximize dollars per unit.

I've never really understood this line as applied to Apple, since I don't recall them dropping prices after the initial release. If they did I'd expect a "wait two months for the prices to drop" meme, but I've never heard that recommendation.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#107
post #80

> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are." >"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real" What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not…

Apple makes money chiefly by selling devices to the public. Joe needs a phone, walks into an Apple store plays with an iPhone and buys one. Suprise works here because of the burst of publicity and the ease of purchase. This approach is based on limited supply and tries to maximize dollars per unit. Microsoft's Windows platform makes money chiefly by selling OS licenses to hardware companies like Dell. Every month the…

I'd be curious on a statistical breakdown comparing average book authorship time to volume of sales and gross revenue of sales. Because quality books always take a long time to write. Already written books are easy to put up for sale, yes, but I'm curious about the data for new productions.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#108
Tired of this kind of speculation. Let the doers do.

Microsoft seems to be, for once, trying to make something nice and different from the rest of me-too pads out there. Even if it were to launch two years from now, what if they have something so differentiated from the iPad at that point that it might attract its own following? Is iPad the end of all computing innovation?

I'd say Go Microsoft! Give Apple a run for its money if you can!

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#109
Thurott has been called a Microsoft fanboy, and Gruber has been called an Apple fanboy. If it matters, read and agree with whichever one reinforces your own personal prejudices.

For me the Thurott comments are just Microsoft vapourware being cheered on by an MS groupie. I'll believe in the Windows 8 tablet when I see it, and if I ever see it I'll compare it to whatever is available from other suppliers at the time.

For now the iPad has no credible competitor. When, if, a Windows 8 tablet comes along I will be astonished if that claim can be made about that product.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

#110
post #101

The most important thing about Windows 8 is that it is Steven Sinofsky's audition for the Microsoft CEO role. If Windows 8 is a success he has a great chance to replace Ballmer. If (and when) that happens is when people should start paying attention to what Microsoft does again. Sinofsky is no Steve Jobs, but he is one of the few people who are proving able to consistently produce good products at Microsoft. If he ra…

It's pretty incredible in hindsight what a poor steward Ballmer has been for MS. I can't complain because MS seems to have finally loosened its death grip on the industry but if I were a shareholder I'd be pretty upset.

That said, I think a resurgent, non-monopolistic MS would be good for the industry as a whole.

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