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Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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My point is not that "free speech" as a concept is bad (though I do mention in another comment here that it does raise thorny issues). My point is that tying this complaint and "free speech" together is pointless because it directs attention at the wrong thing. It's the difference between saying "$person got kicked off Google in a violation of their free speech" and "$person got kicked off Google for a totally specio…

It's not that I didn't understand the point you were making, I just think it was not really relevant. It would be incorrect to say that they violated the user's first amendment rights. But the comment you responded to says: > at least pretend that you allow free speech Which is different than that, and I'd argue most platforms do at least pretend to espouse the ideals of 'free speech' even if that notion has been wea…

> It is a speech issue, even if not a legal issue, if you can pay Google to shut down random accounts that say things you don't like. The ToS violation is a red herring.

I think we here all presume that interested parties can pay corporations to do anything that is both legal, and which remains within the letter of the contracts (e.g. Terms of Service) that the corporation has entered into; and that the only thing stopping corporations from not being actively malicious/malfeasant (though not illegal) in their interactions with customers/users, is that they don't want to be perceived as breaking the terms of contracts they themselves offer.

Voluntary self-bindings in a contract like a ToS are effectively precommitments about a corporation's own ethical behavior; with negative PR as a punishment for breaking said precommitment. Corporations offer these because they want people to have faith that they won't do certain things, even when interested parties offer to pay them to do those things.

So it's not interesting to me that Grammarly can pay YouTube to terminate creators that were already violating the ToS in some way, but where YouTube previously hadn't much cared. Of course they can. Selective enforcement is an omnipresent fact of how corporate social-network moderation works, because corporations have no legal mandate of 100% enforcement, and costs can be cut by doing as little as it takes to make users not complain. So there are always going to be cases where a corporation didn't notice a violation. And why shouldn't a paying customer (one of their advertisers) be able to prioritize YouTube's attention on a previously un-noticed violation? If YouTube wanted to promise us that they wouldn't do that, they'd put a self-binding to that effect in the ToS. YouTube, like all corporations, is an evil genie that starts off by telling you a bounded list of ways in which it won't screw you. You still have to assume it'll screw you in every way not mentioned in the list.

But it is interesting to me that Grammarly can pay YouTube to terminate creators that weren't already violating the ToS in some way. Because that sets a precedent for the ToS not limiting YouTube's behavior — of YouTube not abiding by the precommitments they have made, of not caring about the negative PR consequences of doing so. Which really means that — to the degree that this is a structural issue rather than a "renegade" actor — there is no reason to believe that YouTube will hold to any of its own precommitments in the future. Like, say, its precommitment to pay content creators.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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The idea that companies should be allowed to trample all over basic freedoms because they're not the government has to be the most capitalist idea ever.

What basic freedom are these companies trampling? I dislike them as much as the next person, but it's been clear from the start that they operate their little fiefdoms as they see fit and we should be under no illusions that we have no rights there. If we want to fight for a change to the various laws in various countries, then that is a conversation I would be very willing to have. But let's not pretend that any of…

"What basic freedom are these companies trampling?"

Freedom of speech

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Welcome to YouTube support. Please submit your issue and wait for the community to upvote it enough until a real person at a large corporation actually reads it and clicks a button. Thanks for using YouTube support.

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Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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After Grammarly spent millions of dollars on Google ads, I expect them not to accept valid criticism on Google platforms. But it's unfair to block a guy that talked about a real flaw in Grammarly's plagiarism checker, at least pretend that you allow free speech and take down that video for a random reason specified in your ToS.

I think you've incorrectly invoked "free speech" here, IMO this isn't a free speech issue. It may be a TOS issue and it does sound like Google are being a bit unreasonable but "free speech" isn't really something Google ever promised to permit on their platforms

Well "free speech" is a concept, context can be "${country_constitution_str}" or as in "humanitarian values"

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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For those wanting a more honest alternative to Grammarly, LanguageTool[1] is open source and quite good. That said, I am not a power user and my English is just passable, so your mileage may vary. [1] https://languagetool.org

It's not as good as grammarly, but it will definitely help and isn't that hard to run. My tricks to run it on a cheap digital ocean server

0. Use the docker version

1. use maxsize memory flag to keep the memory under control

2. set up a cron job to kill/restart it in the middle of the night, every night.

3. use a reverse proxy to hide the address at least a little bit

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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My son (a curious juvenile) found his own YouTube account banned in a similar manner for disclosing a security issue in Google wifi products. There was no first or second warning (despite what the Terms of Service say). Google would not give him a justification for the banning other than "terms of service violation". The appeals fell on deaf ears. Now their automated system keeps banning every YouTube account he crea…

Congratulations on figuring out how to keep your son’s data out of the hands of Google at such a young age. What a blessing that will be! Many of the folks here have tried Degoogling with less success.

You can still track users without accounts. It's called finger printing. It's still probably associated with the main Google account too. There's tons of articles on Facebook and "dark" accounts.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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What do you mean a PR disaster, something people get upset about on Twitter for 3 days and then forget?

Unless Google deletes the articles about the incident from its index (and hey, it's possible), then the internet doesn't forget. Instead it just slowly builds personal and political opposition against them. Or are you saying we just should be quite and let them do what they want?

How many "PR disasters" have Google had? If you google "google scandal", how many pop up? Have people stopped using Google because of those scandals? What makes this particular scandal stand up amongst those?

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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For those wanting a more honest alternative to Grammarly, LanguageTool[1] is open source and quite good. That said, I am not a power user and my English is just passable, so your mileage may vary. [1] https://languagetool.org

Another alternative I've been using for some time: https://grammica.com
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