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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by Lio »

laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

Yes indeed. During the 1990s I first became aware of this as a comedy trope.

Loads of TV shows were using these techniques to make the public say all kinds of crazy shit as if they were widely held opinions.

It was funny because back in the 90s it seemed like, well at least to me, that we still trusted journalists and we didn't have social media. So seeing interviews obviously manipulated was funny.

I can also remember Charlie Brooker, the Black Mirror guy, showing the same footage from a set up reality TV show[1].

By just using editing he could show the same event but with very different interpretations.

Instinctively I think we all know that but seeing it done as demonstration is shocking and fascinating.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRW1cPGYgoQ

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by nobrains »

andi999 wrote: post #80
nobrains wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Nobody will watch the 6-18hours of raw footage.

The footage is for verification only. No one will watch the whole thing, but people can scan through it and notice if the conclusion most people are giving different from the edited shorter final production video.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

matsemann wrote: post #99
nobrains wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid. Can't remember the exact situation. But some celebrity, super-hero or whatever got asked by a journalist something ala "why did you say you hate this city?" and they answered "I have never said 'I hate this city'". Then what was aired was the last of that sentence, only the 'I hate this city' part.

I think that's the Scooby Doo live action sequel.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

platinumrad wrote: post #44
starfallg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everything, including the writing system. They even thought about romanisation, but instead just settled on butchering many of the complex characters without fully considering the historical, linguistic or aesthetic concerns.

Even if you are a staunch traditionalist, "almost everything" is a massive exaggeration. The entire country still effectively shuts down for two weeks during the lunar new year. Sure this would be among the first things to go in an authoritarian state hell-bent on industrialization and yet it has persisted.

During which time the family gets together to watch propaganda on CCTV. I wish I was joking but that's literally what almost every single family does. It's Chinese tradition in the name only.

And that isn't to say that tradition doesn't still exist here and there. But it may not be as much as someone not familiar with Chinese history may assume.

Btw even authoritarian subjects need days off or they would revolt sooner or later. So the assumption that this proofs Chinese tradition is alive doesn't follow. When the Christians completely annihilated European traditions they also kept the dates and a few of the customs of some of the pagan holidays. Like Easter eggs and Christmas trees. It actually helps destroy a culture faster, else there may be too much resistance.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

> I get the feeling that with a bit of editing you could have make "the public" have pretty much any view on a topic that you want.

Watching Meerkat Manor when I was younger taught me that any narrative can be archived with a bit of editing

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by ryan_j_naughton »

rackjack wrote: post #54
schappim wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also pretty hard to claim there is one Chinese culture.

Very true. North and South have different food cultures, and dialects between different regions can be borderline incomprehensible to each other, just off the top of my head.

> dialects between different regions can be borderline incomprehensible to each other

That's because they aren't dialects. They are different languages. The CCP has pushed this lie that all Chinese languages are "dialects" instead of separate languages because it aligns with their narrative of a single Chinese people. You can be a single ethnicity and still have differences and different languages, but to the mainland government differences undermine cohesion.

The differences between these so called "dialects" are larger than between the Romance languages to each other. Thus, there is more mutual intelligibility between Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian than between Taiwanese, Mandarin, and Cantonese. To call them "dialects" is linguistically incorrect. They are separate languages. Someone will always respond that they are mutually intelligible through writing, and that's true. But that's bc the writing system isn't actually portraying the verbal language. It is a pictographic script.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by jabbany »

kinghtown wrote: post #17

I live in Taiwan. Very, very few people here are pro-PRC. Tons of Taiwanese people love China and culturally consider themselves Chinese (to be clear, not Chinese citizens.) The vast majority of people disagree on if they should either give up and surrender to the PRC because they may launch missiles or invade once they have a non-laughing stock navy, avoid a bloody war, or if China wouldn’t dare to do that because i…

Besides some outlier ultra nationalists, most regular citizens of the mainland are also not huge fans of the CCP either and would happily get along with Taiwanese. And I have met some Taiwanese who even ironically have an overly romanticized view of the mainland --- seeing it as having made huge strides economically compared to the somewhat stagnant local economy.

At the end of the day, Taiwan culturally has more in common with the mainland than, say, Hong Kong does, because more of its history was spent together. Anything beyond is often a lot of "the grass is greener on the other side" mentality happening. People on both sides envy some aspects of what the other side has, but also would not trade what they have themselves to get it.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by ridaj »

anyfactor wrote: post #83

I used to see these Vox Pop YouTube videos occasionally. Like the line up videos, street interviews and what not. The issue I realized people are never going to give their open and unbiased opinion about something. Because they are moderated, edited and these people are always subjected to some form peer pressure from the group or the producers surrounding them. Moreover the questions are drafted in a "so you are say…

I don't take this vox pop crap for more than what it is either, but this is about as honest as some China-based channel arranging an interview with Alex Jones in a random park and passing it off as the voice of a random American man of the street

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

dmos62 wrote: post #73
rackjack wrote: post #36

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??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

I'm not siding with GP, and I've little to no knowledge of either China or Taiwan, but to say that culture is Confucius, food and decorations doesn't sound right. That's just tradition, culture is more fundamental, in my mind.

If anything tradition is what the CCP succeeded in suppressing during the cultural revolution, not culture. As you said, culture is deeply fundamental and cannot be eliminated in a top-down manner nor in a period of only 10 years.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by aquadrop »

andi999 wrote: post #80
nobrains wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Nobody will watch the 6-18hours of raw footage.

It's not needed for everybody to watch this footage, summary video can be presented. It just should be linked somewhere for those who want to see the results and verify summary themselves.
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