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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by sam0x17 »

oliyoung wrote: post #52
sydthrowaway wrote: post #21

This movie had to be a troll. The ending cover song of RATM's "Wake Up" was just something else.

> This movie had to be a troll. Not so much a "troll", but there's a scene in the first act that literally lays out the entire premise of the production and the creator's feelings about feeling forced to do it. There are "lampshade hanging" fourth-wall breaks in the production meeting scenes that make Deadpool look conservative. The Wachowskis didn't want to do more Matrix. Warner were going to do more Matrix regardl…

Hot take: I was a huge fan of the original matrix trilogy and the animatrix, and while it wasn't what I expected, I enjoyed the film. In the late 90s, we had this whole thing of the corporate drone. That's sort of dead now. Instead we have millennials and zoomers with their spunk and crippling anxiety and standups and fair trade and breaking of fourth walls, and meta, etc, etc. It just feels like the original trilogy were movies that matched the late 90s and early 00s, and this movie matches the 2020s. It is impossible to take the sincere authenticity of the first three films and transplant them into the 2020s without having an identity crisis. This is just the shit timeline we're living in. Movie was on point. Was delighted to see none other than NPH as the central villain. Would have been much worse without him, imo.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by js2 »

didibus wrote: post #38

I don't understand how they do the math with streaming. In a way, you can say that everyone who is an HBO subscriber has already paid for the Matrix Resurrections. Obviously you don't have to watch it immediately, since it's now part of the streaming service catalogue, so unlike a movie theater where all people who intend to see the movie must watch it before it leaves the cinema, all HBO max subscriber can just thin…

To add to the complicated accounting, I have AT&T as my ISP ($70/mo for 1Gbps symmetric service) and one day last year or two they just started throwing in access to HBO Max.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by oliyoung »

rzwitserloot wrote: post #84
oliyoung wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How much did HBO pay for the streaming rights? They wouldn't -have paid- anything, HBO is owned by Warner too edit: ...they wouldn't have to have paid anything..

No, they'd have paid exactly what they want to. If they want the movie to make no profit, they'll charge HBO nothing, or perhaps they'd have the gall to have _HBO charge the movie studio part of warner_ a fee for showing it on HBO, perhaps filing that away as 'marketing expenses' or some similar scam. Anybody with monkey points (entitled to a cut of the net earnings) is out of luck. Conversely if they want it to be a…

> they'd have paid exactly what they want to.

sorry, yeah I agree, this is a better way of saying that

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by wmf »

didibus wrote: post #38

I don't understand how they do the math with streaming. In a way, you can say that everyone who is an HBO subscriber has already paid for the Matrix Resurrections. Obviously you don't have to watch it immediately, since it's now part of the streaming service catalogue, so unlike a movie theater where all people who intend to see the movie must watch it before it leaves the cinema, all HBO max subscriber can just thin…

WB new releases are only on HBO Max for a month. If you watched Matrix 4 within that month they can attribute some fraction of your monthly fee to it.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by meerperson »

titzer wrote: post #61

I saw it twice. I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. There was this meta montage of "oh we have to make a sequel to the Matrix because the suits wanted it, everybody pile on stupid crap", which was obviously a middle finger to...someone. I laughed out loud at how over the top that blatant F-U was...but given that the movie proceeded to then actually crap on every single thing that was awe…

It felt like a sort of kabuki of the original Matrix, as written by Redditors who were tasked with making it as self-referential as possible.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by LegitShady »

Latty wrote: post #20
fishtoaster wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reason to believe that this is an instance of Hollywood Accounting? At a glance, wikipedia says the film cost $190m, which seems reasonable for a film like this, and only received $124.5m in box office sales. Conversely, wikipedia lists Harry Potter OotP as a "150–200 million" budget on $942m in box office sales. It's certainly possible this is a case of Hollywood Accounting, but is there any particular reason we…

Quoting box office sales while ignoring the fact this was released simultaneously for streaming really doesn't tell the full story.

Do they suddenly make more money streaming? Do you have any evidence people joined a streaming platform to watch it?

This thing bombed everywhere. People with existing subscriptions watching it doesn't make it any. More profitable to Warner Bros

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by js2 »

fallingmeat wrote: post #27

Resurrections was like someone saying, “Hey remember that awesome movie we made in the 90’s? Yeah that was so great…” Axiom: You can only see The Matrix for the first time, once.

I saw Dark City first, so I wasn't able to see The Matrix for the first time even once. :-)

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by fullshark »

romwell wrote: post #2

Uh huh. Sure. There's a reason they call it Hollywood Accounting[1]. Not that Warner Brothers is new to this game either: >A Warner Bros. receipt was leaked online, showing that the hugely successful movie Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix ended up with a $167 million loss on paper after grossing nearly $1 billion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

> We can add The Matrix Resurrections to that list, too, with the HBO Max hybrid barely scraping past $100 million globally since hitting the big screen and streaming on December 22, not ideal when the sci-fi actioner’s budget is estimated to be hovering around the $190 million mark.

Even with the fact that it was used to inspire people to sign for HBO max, I'm going to guess it's not a success if those two numbers are true. I don't know how much more legs it's got but rough rule of thumb is the films' grosses need to roughly double the film's budget to be a success.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by johnchristopher »

monkeybutton wrote: post #17
anm89 wrote: post #7

They killed the matrix with 2 and 3 being so terrible. that ship had sailed

Its not like they redeemed themselves since 2 and 3 either; Jupiter Ascending was trash. What did people expect?

I liked Cloud Atlas and Sense8.

I also liked Matrix 2 and 3.

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