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Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by exodontist »

cybarDOTlive wrote: post #84
version_five wrote: post #7

It shouldn't be completely dismissed, but I think the forum is more about how an unhappy (or angry) minority have found each other, and the people that like to read their stories. I don't think that r/antiwork should be taken as representative of anything, including a broader movement. It's the same with twitter, there is a committed vocal and angry group, but it's not real life

Though I'm not one to generally say this or that subreddit should be banned, reddit has destroyed many a thousand times less subversive ones than this in the past, like /r/whitebeautyart. So I don't see why this kind of nihilistic, apathetic, passive attitude should be encouraged. Yes, something like this actually deserves to be removed, especially when it reaches critical mass. Because it does more harm than good to…

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Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by mikewarot »

I think that this is a great way to cover up the problem with the wave of people disabled by Long Covid falling out of the work force. Blame it instead on a vocal group of slackers.

It's going to work, everyone will blame them, and Covid keeps getting ignored.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by oceanghost »

ikr678 wrote: post #77
hogrider wrote: post #58

Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness through anger.

Reading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled…

I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy.

Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them.

I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO would rather not have blamed on him.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by LogicX »

gruez wrote: post #100
HWR_14 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, /r/antiwork doesn't equate having a boss with slavery - they say having a shit job with a shit boss is a shitty situation they should not have to put up with. And, frankly, that seems reasonable. I have no idea about the other subreddit you mentioned, but it does sound superficially like a spot racists would meet up. But it's been banned so I'm just judging it by its title.

>they say having a shit job with a shit boss is a shitty situation they should not have to put up with. And, frankly, that seems reasonable. The sidebar literally advocates for abolition of work.

And I’ve read numerous threads where people don’t agree with that. I think most are more concerned about their shitty situation no longer being tolerated, but most still believe they should work for someone.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by HWR_14 »

gruez wrote: post #100
HWR_14 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, /r/antiwork doesn't equate having a boss with slavery - they say having a shit job with a shit boss is a shitty situation they should not have to put up with. And, frankly, that seems reasonable. I have no idea about the other subreddit you mentioned, but it does sound superficially like a spot racists would meet up. But it's been banned so I'm just judging it by its title.

>they say having a shit job with a shit boss is a shitty situation they should not have to put up with. And, frankly, that seems reasonable. The sidebar literally advocates for abolition of work.

Yes, and the FAQ makes it clear by that they mean the current way work is organized, they don't think that no one has to grow corn or otherwise be productive. They don't people won't have to do unfun things. They make it clear their issue is with their management.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by [deleted] »

oceanghost wrote: post #104
ikr678 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled…

I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy. Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them. I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO…

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Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

#108

Post by blockwriter »

alanlammiman wrote: post #83

I wonder what would happen if private sector wage-based jobs were forbidden. If essentially your only option as an entrepreneur/company were to pay in equity/profit-sharing. The labor equivalent of, on the capital front, religions that forbid lending with interest but allow equity investing. I wonder if the complexity/transaction costs/uncertainty/governance problems would kill the economy or if it would be possible…

How would you compensate work if their equity position needs to be maintained in perpetuity but the value of their work remains the same? If I worked retail at Nordstroms in 2006, I would have needed to earn pennies a week to balance out the next 60 to 70 years of equity I have in the company.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by ikr678 »

oceanghost wrote: post #104
ikr678 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled…

I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy. Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them. I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO…

I am aware of that, but my definition of a good manager is someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs.

If I am being asked to go above and beyond in a role, but the same is not being asked of my coworkers, or I see HR policy against staff being enforced selectively, this is the classic 'bad management' that immediately gets me offside and I am no longer as interested in work.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by noahtallen »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #91
hogrider wrote: post #58

Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness through anger.

Hell most skilled jobs suck. There's probably very few jobs that actually are good for the worker.

And this is the exact point of the whole subreddit and movement :)

Most of us in the tech world have the benefit of huge salaries, amazing benefits, and a lot of control over our working conditions. And yet many, if not most, of us still experience a significant amount of work-related stress.

Why should anyone accept this as the status quo?

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