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Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by ccn0p »

tokai wrote: post #9
hammock wrote: post #3

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>a group of vocal doctors who get ignored or suppressed by the media You make it sound so ominous. But if you look them up they have gotten a ton of coverage from all kinds of media. Pierre Kory et. al. has also published (and are still publishing) numerous articles in (non hoax/predatory) science journals. Sure they are critiqued, but that is what happens when you go against a majority opinion (disciplinary not popu…

On that logic, if that's the case, then shouldn't a responsible "mainstream" media (CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc.) be talking about these published papers by Pierre Kory et al. even if positioned as "minority viewpoints"? Instead what we tend to see is fact checkers springing into action and media continuing to only push a single "majority" narrative further dividing all of us instead of uniting us together to have open dialogue and letting the best ideas win in the public space.

It's all so bizarre.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by costcopizza »

iamthepieman wrote: post #76
merpnderp wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Placebo effect accounts for changes in their blood markers for micro clots? I'm a big believer in the power of the mind, but this seems a stretch.

The point is that without a control group there's no way to know.

No, there is a way to know, just not the way you want to know.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by kyralis »

merpnderp wrote: post #73
frostwarrior wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccines are not Covid. Even the inactivated virus ones. They're just a very small viral load with an adjuvant to enhance immune response.

The mRNA vaccines create spike proteins which are fully functional and will bind to ACE2 receptors. The only real difference is that the mRNA vaccine spike proteins don't cleave off their connectors and litter your blood with extra trash and also won't flex down to the cell wall. But any cell randomly getting a spike protein tag-alone likely will no longer be a fully functioning cell.

> But any cell randomly getting a spike protein tag-alone likely will no longer be a fully functioning cell.

Do you actually have any evidence to back this up? Cells have a myriad of receptor sites, and single bindings without other resultant activity are highly unlikely to cause the cell significant damage.

The side effects of the vaccines have nothing to do with the vaccine particles themselves and everything to do with your body's immune response.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #88
iamthepieman wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that without a control group there's no way to know.

That's not strictly true. Consider our complete set of medical knowledge today. What percentage of that knowledge came from studies with control groups?

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Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by swader999 »

yuubi wrote: post #98
swader999 wrote: post #96

I'd urge anyone suffering long covid to take a look at the FLCCC protocol for treating it. Results were immediate for myself and I've seen tens of others that have followed it resolve their issues. https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover...

Is this the FLCCC that pushes ivermectin (a fine worm killer, but no panacea) for covid?

Ivermectin has many modes of action. It's been recognized as a potent anti viral long before covid.

For instance, see Ivermectin is a specific inhibitor of importin α/β-mediated nuclear import able to inhibit replication of HIV-1 and dengue virus.

Ivermectin is a potent inhibitor of flavivirus replication specifically targeting NS3 helicase activity: new prospects for an old drug.

A screen of FDA-approved drugs for inhibitors of Zika virus infection.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by _jal »

ccn0p wrote: post #97
_jal wrote: post #78

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> Discourse around dissent of the popular narrative is simply not allowed What are you talking about? You're dissenting right here. People do it in the national press daily, as they have been for literally years now on this particular topic. No, what certain people don't like is that their preferred narratives aren't taken as seriously as they want. So whining about "suppressing dissent" is a more palatable explanati…

Dissenting and getting downvoted, kind of proving the point. My experience living in a county and working in an industry that are both dominated by one particular way of thinking given to them by authority figures (CDC, New York Times, etc.) is that if you step outside that way of thinking and pose fairly innocuous questions that challenge it, two things happen: you lose all credibility, and you get called pretty bad…

> getting downvoted

In the US, you're entitled to free speech. You're not entitled to respect, or even an audience.

And I'm sorry, but if getting downvoted is political oppression to you, you need to grow some skin.

> She covers a gambit of topics.

I have read her. She's a boring and repetitive replacement-level whiner who's built a brand appealing to people with certain kinds of insecurities.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by jacobolus »

cdrini wrote: post #26
open-source-ux wrote: post #12

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" I think I’m going to start taking aspirin " In the UK there is a large, ongoing clinical trial called 'RECOVER' to test different COVID treaments for hospitalised COVID patients . One of the trials included giving hospitalised patients aspirin. The trial was not looking at the treatment of long-covid symptoms (at least not directly in hospital patients). "A total of 7351 patients were randomised to aspirin 150 mg o…

This doesn't feel super applicable. The body in the middle of a COVID infection vs months later is in a VERY different state. Also I don't even know if there's any mortality data for long COVID; it could just provide quality of life degradation.

I saw an observational study tracking hospitalized (but nominally surviving) Covid patients for a year where a far higher number died (of various causes) than the base rate in the population [sorry I can’t find a link now in a few minutes of searching]. Some of this is selection bias (people who get bad Covid cases tend to be in worse shape to begin with), but I would expect the after-effects of Covid to cause significantly increased mortality. We’ll have much better data about this in a few years.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by johncearls »

merpnderp wrote: post #64
mkarliner wrote: post #48

So 24 patients reported relief of symtoms. It would occur to me that a placebo effect could account for this. A study with a control group would hold greater validity in my mind. This seems purely anecdoctal despite academic styling.

Placebo effect accounts for changes in their blood markers for micro clots? I'm a big believer in the power of the mind, but this seems a stretch.

It could also simply be time. To me this is obviously a small study that should be followed up (quickly) with a double blind, randomized trial. Until then, I'd be hesitant to put a bunch of ppl on anticoagulants.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by mikeyouse »

yuubi wrote: post #98
swader999 wrote: post #96

I'd urge anyone suffering long covid to take a look at the FLCCC protocol for treating it. Results were immediate for myself and I've seen tens of others that have followed it resolve their issues. https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover...

Is this the FLCCC that pushes ivermectin (a fine worm killer, but no panacea) for covid?

Yes - a bunch of discredited quacks (with multiple papers now retracted for the terrible quality of their science) causing enormous headaches for every practicing doctor and nurse having to treat the unvaccinated "Facebook Researchers" who end up in the hospital trying to get their useless cocktail of meds.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Post by yamrzou »

nradov wrote: post #88
iamthepieman wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that without a control group there's no way to know.

That's not strictly true. Consider our complete set of medical knowledge today. What percentage of that knowledge came from studies with control groups?

When experimenting with new treatments, a control group is very important. Otherwise the study could be biased in favor or against the treatment. Even when a control group is present, a poorly-designed experiment could later turn out to be problematic, such as the Diethylstilbestrol (DES) medical tragedy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylstilbestrol). In that case, studies that were in favor of the treatment were poorly-designed and used historical controls instead of contemporaneous ones.
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