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What is the small web? (2020)

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Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#101

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

> and then we're talking.

Are we really talking though? I thought the fundamental issue at play is that most people don't care giving up their privacy in exchange for not caring how things work. People aren't going to use the small web because its small, people will use it because its convenient and there is something on it that they want.

i.e. to say just getting the hardware and software right isn't enough, you'll need negative event cycles to shoo people away from the current centralised systems and attractive content being created on your new platform and even then its likely we're "just" building niches. I mean, its a good thing, its just I'm arguing this isn't a "build it and they will come" sorta problem. Its more a "build it, wait twenty years and maybe".

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#102

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

The thing is, why would I as a consumer buy that? I already have a computer, router, and switch.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what is "your own server"? Yeah I host my personal site on my raspberry pi, but most people aren't going to do that. They're going to host on a server owned by a company with public stock.

It seems to me like one could market a device that isn't much more than a RPI that would download a container image from small-web-dot-registry that would run a webserver that encapsulates the site one authored on small-web-dot-com. This image could have some smarts to either punch the right holes through the the router's firewall or do something even more clever with a peer-to-peer mesh network. At the end of the da…

I'd buy that. But not because I need it. Web hosting is cheaper than Netflix.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#104
What is really not addressed is privacy of content. Regardless of where it’s hosted (AWS v Rpi) the leap from fully-public static site to something you can curate eyeballs on is pretty big. If simple auth (`htpwd`) was more universally supported and easier to use that would be great. But I find myself reaching for a CMS when I don’t want randos looking at my family photos on the open web.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#105

No. No no no no no. This is not the solution to the problems we’re facing. While it’s nice to push people to run their own hardware and software, it does nothing to solve the problem of large corporations having large amounts of control and power with little regulation oversight. We like to do this thing in tech where we try to solve all of our problems with engineering and software. What we’re encountering now is no…

But there are technical ways this can be solved. Don't use their services is one. I've got a lot of problems but you know what problems I don't have? Being censored and tracked by facebook and google. It really is very much an individual problem with individual solutions, though some may not like that fact because individual solutions don't accomplish their goals, it is still a fact.

Please read through my comment again. The “don’t use their services” line is another individualistic framing that exists solely to deflect blame from these large corporations.

Shell launched a PR campaign in the 90’s to popularize the term ‘carbon footprint’. This shifted the climate change conversation from large, multinational corporations needing to solve it to individuals, who have little-to-no power, needing to solve it. 71% of global CO2 emissions are emitted by just 100 companies. Even if every individual on Earth lowered their output by as much as possible, we’d all still be fucked because of the emissions by these corporations.

We must talk about corporate power in terms of policy, government, and collective responsibility. Individuals have no power in comparison to these large corporations. This is something we’ve observed in nearly every market these corporations compete in: if I had a dime for every company that tried to compete with Google Search and died over the years, I’d be really fucking rich. While their might be technical alternatives to these services, that doesn’t solve the problem of these corporations having unrestricted power to do whatever they want. That’s what we need to solve.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

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post #82

The problem with "web2", big tech, call it whatever you like, is not where you host things. Whether you host your own website on your personal desktop or in the cloud, it does nothing to break the power of big tech. The issue is discoverability. Your content is to be found in Google search, the main social networks and/or app stores. Or you simply do not exist for the world. The gate keepers are there and do not care…

> The issue is discoverability

That's only true if you want "big web" vistor stats. You don't need discoverability for a personal website, because the only people that would be interested would be people that know you - and for them, you just email a link.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#107

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

The thing is, why would I as a consumer buy that? I already have a computer, router, and switch.

True, it's hard to convince them. But at one point they do get sick of their old router and then it's your chance. If you made yourself visible in the meantime you'll eventually win.

But that's not a "hyper-growth" or whatever. That's much more like "be there for a long time, eventually people will find you if you market yourself stably and persistently".

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#108

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

> and then we're talking. Are we really talking though? I thought the fundamental issue at play is that most people don't care giving up their privacy in exchange for not caring how things work. People aren't going to use the small web because its small, people will use it because its convenient and there is something on it that they want. i.e. to say just getting the hardware and software right isn't enough, you'll…

> I thought the fundamental issue at play is that most people don't care giving up their privacy in exchange for not caring how things work.

True, but you can tempt them: "this box can stream from 30 services", "you can download movies from these N pirate websites", "you can block most ads when connecting to this box", "you can attach two hard disks to this box and you'll automatically get storage for downloaded movies and shows" etc.

> People aren't going to use the small web because its small, people will use it because its convenient and there is something on it that they want.

Absolutely. So let's invent something that brings all those conveniences to the table. Ideals don't bring regular people on board, I think we all realize this by now.

> you'll need negative event cycles to shoo people away from the current centralised systems

We already have those. I knew several families happily paying to 3 streaming services even if they weren't high income. Then one evening one of the kids wanted to watch one animated Pixar movie from 10+ years ago. The mom cursed loudly while being unable to find it on all 3 platforms, said "fuck this!" and asked me to teach her how to torrent it. We went to have a dinner in the kitchen and the movie was downloaded when we were back. Two minutes later I downloaded subtitles and off to the races we went. Zero buffering, zero lags, no popups, no ads for other shows. Somebody needs to pee? OK, pause it without looking at anything else but a frozen frame until they are back.

Can you guess what happened next? They educated themselves enough to pirate stuff and and 2 out of those 3 families are with only 1 subscription now. The 3rd is with zero. I didn't preach piracy to them; they already knew about it, they just imagined it was super hard -- which it wasn't. Necessity is the mother of invention, right?

The big players are, ironically, disrupting themselves. They are so worried that somebody else will disrupt them and buying potential competitors left and right... in the end they are the biggest threat to their own business. I revel in the irony.

> this isn't a "build it and they will come" sorta problem. Its more a "build it, wait twenty years and maybe".

Societal changes are glacially slow, sadly, and this very rarely has anything to do with the merits of the old ways or the new ways. The correlation to those is like 10% IMO.

But I'd argue not to look at this through the lens of a future business. Let's look at it as philanthropic endeavour. You likely will make money but no you can't quit your job with that income. It's playing the long game for the good of humanity plus maybe make a few tens of thousand bucks per year in the process.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tunneling increases latency. Seen that the final medium/media is a 3D action MMO we don't have time for that latency.

I have a little site that I moved behind cloudflare. The dead simple https is nice but I have a page with a gallery of 140 images and it loads so much slower than before the move. Granted I am not paying anything for the service and I don't plan to change it back so this is just an observation.

HTTPS is a waste of electricity.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#110
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long term you're probably right, but I think tunneling services[0] like Cloudflare tunnel or my own boringproxy are going to be what we use for the next 10 years or so. We're going to have to prove that self-hosting is useful before people start demanding ipv6, public static IPs, and decent upload speeds from their ISPs. [0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Tunneling increases latency. Seen that the final medium/media is a 3D action MMO we don't have time for that latency.

For that use case, yep totally agree. But there are a lot of use cases that an extra hop through a proxy that's physically near the origin server still provides very good performance.
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