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Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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I struggle often with this somewhat arbitrary desire for everything to be data-driven and backed by science. People hope, pray, follow best practices, listen to advice on the internet and yet, every now and then we are reminded that only fools do these things. Really intelligent people only listen to science and do things backed by science and lots of data. How does anyone accomplish anything if every step they take…

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Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Scandinavian society gives a lot of airtime to "radical" intellectuals talking bullshit about things outside their field of expertise. Bjørn Lomborg was a hipster economist who denied man-made climate change and had an embarrassing amount of clout in Denmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

As non-scandinavian ... may it have something to do with the strong left/progressive lean of the population?

I say this because one of the biggest problems of every single group or organization that I've seen built around progressive/left/liberal ideas is the tendency to believe in the "everyone has a right to be heard/speak" which leads to everything being dominated by the loudest individuals who are almost always full of BS.

Honestly, I've identified this tendency as the #1 reason why such groups do so poorly in politics, except in situations where the values are just a PR front for a more traditional power structure.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mindfulness and meditation especially, /are/ supported by scientific findings. I don't know about yoga, but it's basically stretching and that's generally good for you.

Sure I didn’t mean to imply that those fields in particular are all bogus, but rather that every new book on the subject has to bring a new angle and also often plays a bit fast and loose with scientific rigor. You’ll see books on why you should do yoga while juggling eggplants or mindfulness through playing quake and it might be some times a bit semi-scientific.

Fair point, yeah the novelties are just there for marketing and intrigue purpose, they probably don't do anything most of the time.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

#105

I struggle often with this somewhat arbitrary desire for everything to be data-driven and backed by science. People hope, pray, follow best practices, listen to advice on the internet and yet, every now and then we are reminded that only fools do these things. Really intelligent people only listen to science and do things backed by science and lots of data. How does anyone accomplish anything if every step they take…

My pet peeve is that in this worshipping of science (count me guilty) it’s often forgotten that it is ultimately an attempt to model a system from within itself, and thus will never model it fully and prove that it is correct or even validate the very fundamental assumptions (STEM-inspired material monism, some mainstream flavor of dualism, or a riff on transcendental idealism—note how this stuff technically would have huge implications for science, yet is formally outside of its scope because it is impossible to prove or falsify).

So whether it is hard science or ghosts and Grandma’s noodle soup, it is always a belief at the core. One of those is a more detailed model and quite useful at making some predictions, that’s all.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mindfulness and meditation especially, /are/ supported by scientific findings. I don't know about yoga, but it's basically stretching and that's generally good for you.

So is taking a short nap in the afternoon. Pretty much these are all the same things. Some just get branded and packaged as a thing for consumers to make into a “lifestyle”.

They're not the same things, in the same way that healthy eating and exercise aren't - they're both systemically beneficial. Sleep and meditation are different and serve different purposes, and stretching is closer to exercise than anything else.

They do get packaged into a lifestyle, but they also predate consumerism by thousands of years.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

#107

The interesting question here perhaps isn’t so much whether knowing if you are a particular color or 4-letter Myers-Briggs combination helps you or whether there is a solid foundation to the categorization at all. What’s interesting here is rather: what happens when you think of everyone as a pigeonholed category. Intuitively it seems it should be mostly negative especially if the categories don’t even offer any beha…

i'm not sure being into astrology makes people more empathetic

That is a good way to phrase it.

It just makes people excuse/explain away their and other peoples behaviour, instead of trying to work on themself, their relationships, interactions and/or environment.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

#109

The interesting question here perhaps isn’t so much whether knowing if you are a particular color or 4-letter Myers-Briggs combination helps you or whether there is a solid foundation to the categorization at all. What’s interesting here is rather: what happens when you think of everyone as a pigeonholed category. Intuitively it seems it should be mostly negative especially if the categories don’t even offer any beha…

i'm not sure being into astrology makes people more empathetic

Neither am I. But my point is that unlike astrology itself, that’s actually a valid scientific question to research!

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

#110

I'm not sure which this article claims to be the bluff: the author or the DiSC assessment? ... It seems to be attacking both.

It's saying the DiSC assessment has no scientific basis, and the author is wrong for claiming it does.
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