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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#101

FWIW I seldom got any likes on Tinder in USA. I would consider myself in the top 10% of my own country in height and looks but not the same in USA. I realized that US women do not consider me attractive at least based on limited data that a Tinder card shows.

FWIW if you're not paying then you're not being shown to anyone outside of maybe the first 24 hours.

I cannot say for tinder, but I just opened bumble for the first time in weeks and apparently I have 50+ likes.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

> This has nothing to do with Big tech. If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, that used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now. EDIT: It seems I misunderstood this statement. I read it as "If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, [not using twitter] used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now" I don't understand your reasoning here. You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service f…

Is Bumble big tech ? No, still they have the same tactics than Tinder.

I'm not saying there is no problem (I have wrote several article criticizing Match group and the app dating market), I'm just saying this has nothing to do with big Tech. Any dating app (and some do) can do the same as Tinder

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Given the constant commodization of data science, I wonder how long it will take till there is a dating app that really knows you well, while keeping privacy in tact. And matches people with the goal to actually match properly. Tinder, and every dating app I know out there, is directly incentivized to _not_ match properly, but rather to keep you on the app as long as possible. As long as the bottom line is directly i…

Maybe you need a non-profit for this.

I believe that is the only way indeed. Though another commenter noted that these kinds of apps are heavily dependent on a network to work. Perhaps it can be an extension on Mastodon somewhere in the future.

Matchmaking is such a generic problem anyway. Friends, Business relations, Vacancies, Partners, Sex buddies. We'll get there, I believe.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Kyiv (Ukrainian: Київ)[a] or Kiev[b] is the capital and most populous city of Ukraine. From Wikipedia ;)

Read this if you could, this will give you more context: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/kyiv-not-...

I have a gut feeling that Americans care more about this than Ukrainians themselves. I am no fan of russia and using the "incorrect" spelling kiev instead of kyiv doesn't imply that IMO.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#105
Big Tech has nothing to do with it, as the tech is spreading everywhere, and to the governments as well.

I was filling out a government form for a relative of mine to get on a plane (Covid-19 regulations). After filling out all the relevant details, I got the negative answer "BOARDING DENIED" because "You are not in compliance with all the regulations".

It never said _which_ regulation of these "all" we weren't in compliance with, exactly.

It took me hours to get to an intelligent person in the ministry hotline, if we skip the "try again" and "try from another PC" and "you've tried too many times and so are banned" guys. After some convincing, they agreed to fill out the form for us. It turned out the system expects TWO vaccination dates, not one, to give its permission, although never says so clearly.

With Tinder, you can move to another platform, but when the government tech decides whether or not you're allowed to board the plane, they usually monopolize that.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#106
By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money.

If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in the US. I had one particularly scary experience and after that I don't use any dating apps.

But it's worked out very well, I did have to move to a new city too, but I've been able to meet so many amazing girls in real life. I'm also in a much better place emotionally, if you're staring at your phone constantly waiting for box to message you, that's not good for your mind. Your mind. It makes everything 10 times of stressful, for fraction of the benefit.

When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. In real life, everyone I've gone out with has had a decent job, due to another scary experience I don't go out with people who aren't working.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#107

I know "don't use social networks made by evil megacorps that make money by trampling all over your privacy and making you addicted" is the kind of advice everyone sagely nods at but no one heeds. But it especially applies to dating apps. Like the proverbial sausages, once you know what goes on under the hood you won't ever feel like touching one of them with a ten foot pole.

> once you know what goes on under the hood you won't ever feel like touching one of them with a ten foot pole. I love gaming the algorithm to meet hotter* people than I would meet using the apps the most intuitive way. *It's not subjective, there are profiles that attract way more attention and would either: never be shown to you, or you never shown to them.

I've never done online dating, met my wife the old-fashioned way, but, it sounds like you're saying the network is making the choice of who should be matched/together, before they get the chance to decide for themselves?

If that's true, how anyone thinks that isn't totally fucked is beyond me. I mean, I'm seriously, deeply concerned by this notion more than the usual privacy, data etc that big tech concerns me with, they're literally shaping future generations according to their "algorithm", by deciding that one person shouldn't even be allowed to know another even exists, let alone have an opportunity to interact with them.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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This is basically the paradigm of any monopolistic or near monopolistic system. You can screw over a small minority without provoking a real response so long as you are appeasing or distracting the majority. Big tech, traditional companies, and even government.

Or it's a lack of enforcement/regulation. You really think Tinder is a monopoly? lol

It has competitors, sure. But what the competitors don't have is user base and mind share. Maybe _de facto_ or _effective_ monopoly is more accurate?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tinder has an incentive to keep the paid users paid my making sure it is difficult for them to find a match An evil data scientist would put almost exclusively users on your screen who you are interested in but they are not interested in you to boost your spendings and would mix a small portion of good bidirectional matches just to make his purpose less obvious. Fortunately evil data scientists does not exist... I…

They don’t even have to be doing that on purpose, if one just optimizes the revenue per user metric he’s effectively doing the same thing even if not on purpose.

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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This is presented as a problem with "big tech", but I don't think most people would consider Tinder (Match Group) to be big tech? Instead, this kind of problem where you get flagged with no explanation or recourse seems to be common to consumer tech of all but the smallest scale. It's just very expensive to provide high quality individual support.

37B is quite big. "big data" is just an excel file, so I think this would qualify

> "big data" is just an excel file

You know that's a joke, right?

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