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WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

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I think this will get some heat from regulators.

Transactions can be either off-chain, or on-chain. With former it’s not much different than a database, with latter it’s becomes scammer/terrorist/drug dealer dream.

Also on-chain transfer costs ~$20 in a quiet hour, e.g here is a transfer of ~$250 for a fee of $20: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x7d366b14c99ca6eb457109000f637e59bb...

USDP whitepaper: https://insights.paxos.com/hubfs/USDP-whitepaper.pdf

Contract source: https://github.com/paxosglobal/usdp-contracts

Etherscan: https://etherscan.io/token/0x8e870d67f660d95d5be530380d0ec0b...

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

#102

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Payments in yet another currency is not useful. Apple letting you send payments in iMessage makes sense, MobileCoin in signal absolutely does not. What do you do with them once you have MobileCoins? You have to exchange them, potentially at some wildly varying exchange rate, rather than what Apple is offering which is just USD. Apple's solution not something I would use but it makes some sense given the relative diff…

We can look at the interface for MobileCoin in Signal to get an idea of how bad this is. We're prompted to "add funds" by sending MobileCoin, and the "learn more" button leads to an article telling you to buy a "supported currency" (only MobileCoin) on some exchange. So it's fundamentally useless unless you are already into the cryptocurrency speculation sphere, in which case you almost certainly have something bette…

> It now lets you recover all of your money too

Just the PIN? Or do you need control of the phone number associated with the account?

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

#103

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> zero expectation that this is something users want, or will use. Facebook Messenger already has this feature using fiat, Apple lets you send money via iMessage, Telegram already has this feature. Seems like adding payments is staying competitive with features other messaging utilities has. It might also be a money grab, but something can be two things at once.

Sending money is something that almost everyone needs. Sending cryptocurrencies is something almost no one needs. And if you did need it, why wouldn't you just send it directly from your wallet, without the middleman? Isn't that the point of cryptocurrencies?

> And if you did need it, why wouldn't you just send it directly from your wallet, without the middleman? Isn't that the point of cryptocurrencies?

That's a good point but: Do you know the wallets of all your friends? The advantage of Signal is that it knows your social network.

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

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post #88

When Signal integrated MobileCoin last year (in the UK), there was a lot of uproar here on HN – some well-founded ("Why equip a slick and lightweight standalone app for privacy-preserving messaging with payments, a feature that adds bloat and will likely attract government regulation and oversight?"), some less so ("The Signal developers are just scamming everyone"). Given WhatsApp's move toward a WeChat-like app now…

>Given WhatsApp's move toward a WeChat-like app now, I think some of the criticism against Signal/MobileCoin needs to be reconsidered: Moxie et al. might have seen that coming (which I guess wasn't too difficult in light of WhatsApp's involvement in payments in India) and they are possibly just trying to stay competitive in the long term. So given that Facebook is also now mining data on every user of Whatsapp, shoul…

This is a strawman. Signal doesn't have to reconsider its stance on privacy, but due to network effects Signal does have to worry about market share or otherwise it will be back to being a niche app. Remember that Signal wants to improve privacy for the masses. It does not attempt to protect individual people targeted by any of the three-letter agencies.

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

#105

When Signal integrated MobileCoin last year (in the UK), there was a lot of uproar here on HN – some well-founded ("Why equip a slick and lightweight standalone app for privacy-preserving messaging with payments, a feature that adds bloat and will likely attract government regulation and oversight?"), some less so ("The Signal developers are just scamming everyone"). Given WhatsApp's move toward a WeChat-like app now…

You’re sneaking in the presupposition that the market dictates support for crypto payments. But isn’t that a complete fantasy?

No, but the market seems to dictates support for payments. And if you want to support payments while preserving privacy, what options do you have other than looking at crypto currencies?

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#106

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You’re sneaking in the presupposition that the market dictates support for crypto payments. But isn’t that a complete fantasy?

No, but the market seems to dictates support for payments . And if you want to support payments while preserving privacy, what options do you have other than looking at crypto currencies?

1. What's the evidence for the market dictating support for payments in messengers? 2. Privacy is exactly not a good selling point for most cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. Arguably even Paypal and credits cards offer better privacy.

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

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Why did you put an apostrophe in "fee's" but not in "rails"? This isn't a grammar-nazi criticism because I frequently make similar mistakes with pluralization. It strikes me that there must be some cognitive explanation for why some plurals seem to need an apostrophe when other plurals don't.

I'm fine with my English but non-native. Writing anything on the internet usually involves a googling of whatever expression I'm unsure of and if there's a reasonable amount of results that's an ok enough approximation for me. Try it with payment rails. No hate though I'm happy for friendly corrections.

For this, the basic rules of thumb are simple:

#1 Never apostrophe before plural-s.

#2 Always apostrophe before possessive-s.

Some weird possible exceptions noted in sibling comments (like apostrophe before plural-s on acronyms and single letters), but those aren't universal and therefore not mandatory. So if in (even the slightest) doubt, follow rules #1 and #2 and you'll be right far more often than wrong.

Oh yeah, one actually important and non-weird "exception": NO apostrophe "before possesive-s" on possessive pronouns like "his" or "theirs". I think this is because they're actually not ordinary nouns made possessive by adding apostrophe-s, but grammatically their own distinct words which happen to always contain an s at the end. So in that perspective, it's not even an exception; hence the quote marks.

And that ("it's") reminds me of rule

#3 Always apostrophe in contractions.

"Contractions" here means when a verb -- usually "is" or "has"; I don't know if (but don't think that) there are any others -- following a noun or a pronoun is reduced to its final 's' and added to the preceding word, as in e.g. "John's gone". You have to figure out whether the 's' stands for "is" or "has" from context: In "John's gone forever" it's "is", but in "John's gone and done it" it's "has". Usually it's pretty obvious, or doesn't really matter for understanding what's meant.

HTH!

Re: WhatsApp Launches Instant Cryptocurrency Payments in the US

#108

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Sending money is something that almost everyone needs. Sending cryptocurrencies is something almost no one needs. And if you did need it, why wouldn't you just send it directly from your wallet, without the middleman? Isn't that the point of cryptocurrencies?

> And if you did need it, why wouldn't you just send it directly from your wallet, without the middleman? Isn't that the point of cryptocurrencies? That's a good point but : Do you know the wallets of all your friends? The advantage of Signal is that it knows your social network.

I sign up for a mobilecoin exchange, do aml/ykc, buy cryptocurrency in some way, make a wallet in signal, have my friend make a wallet, then I send them mobilecoin, which is useless to them unless they also sign up for an exchange to turn it back into something something sensible. Yeah that's made so much easier by Signal being in the loop.
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