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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#101

Post by groby_b »

jrm4 wrote: post #97
groby_b wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly encourage you to occasionally view the world through more than one lens. No matter what the OS, the default editor is important. Changes to the default editor that address long standing demands by the community are important. Communicating those changes to a wide audience is important as well. (And the Linux side of the fence could stand to learn a bit about communicating with the wider community) And that…

Oh please. So what I'm hearing is, there are changes in software that a lot of people wanted for a long time, but weren't allowed to have for some reason? If only there were a model of software creation that let you fix that?

What you're hearing is clearly what you want to hear, and nothing else.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jrm4 »

51Cards wrote: post #96
jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

When you buy a car are you concerned that it came with manufacturer monopoly provided radio, GPS, seats, tires and a jack? I mean you can go out and get third party versions of all of these things with improved functionality so why should they even include basic versions? Now how many people actually replace the radio in their car? Or the rims? Or the seats? A vast percentage of owners are very happy with the include…

If I could literally change any of those things in my FOR FREE, INSTANTLY, AT NO MARGINAL COST, AT THE PRESS OF A BUTTON, WITH EASY UNDO then yes I would.

I would also be happy to always help out other people and share my changes with my friends.

And I do this when I can. Guess why I can't, now.

Come ON people.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#103

Post by Scharkenberg »

ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

Of course, it would be nice if every program ever were nearly perfect upon release, but that isn't necessarily a realistic expectation in every scenario. If it can be updated via the Store (which is the case with Notepad and many other utilities), it doesn't have to be tied to the OS release cadence. In this aspect, modern Windows is more like rolling-release desktop Linux distros than macOS.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#104

Post by lemmsjid »

jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

Not disagreeing with you (often have to preface internet comments with that :) but instead discussing. The grocery store example is quite revealing. Yes, you can point to the American grocery store, but what has been well studied there is that presenting people with choices creates its own form of stress. I certainly feel the stress of going to Whole Foods and wanting cocoa powder and seeing what seems like a thousand variations, versus going to Trader Joe's where there's almost always one brand per item (and often it's the Trader Joe's brand). Whole Foods can be good if there's some niche thing I want, but Trader Joe's is quite relaxing to just have a shopping list and pick up stuff not worrying about comparing each item to a whole bunch of other ones. I believe this was also part of the thinking behind most stores introducing house brands over the last several decades.

Anyhow, this is not some huge announcement. I'm assuming it got voted up in hacker news because there's a humorous element to the whole thing, notepad being one of the more glacially-iterated-but-still-around software systems in existence.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

lelandfe wrote: post #100
kayodelycaon wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb. Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

Sublime Text, god bless its soul, is right there with it. And TextEdit is less than half that size if you strip out the translation dicts!

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#106

Post by kayodelycaon »

lelandfe wrote: post #100
kayodelycaon wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb. Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

Sublime Text, god bless its soul, is right there with it. And TextEdit is less than half that size if you strip out the translation dicts!

Sublime Text wasn’t as fast to launch on my 12” MacBook (RIP), which is why didn’t mention it. TextEdit still pretty much instant.

On my intel 16”, Sublime Text 4 is amazingly fast, even with a dozen medium-to-large rails apps open.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by petilon »

This is underwhelming. Textarea in any web application has more features, such as spellcheck, and now in Edge, even grammar check!

Multilevel undo/redo should have been delivered at least 20 years ago.

How about the ability to handle files with Mac or Linux style linebreaks? Wordpad can handle it but not Notepad.

How about showing recent files in File menu?

Really what Microsoft ought to do is to ship VSCode as the new text editor for Windows (after removing all coding features that might confuse end users). Retain the old Notepad for people who use it in established workflows, no point in updating it at this point because it is hopelessly obsolete.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by okareaman »

twojacobtwo wrote: post #94
okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

Have you tried Notepad++? I just tested it on my system after reading your comment and the difference between Notepad++ and Notepad was barely perceptible (the former being slower by ~0.1 seconds, at a guess). It also has a lot of quality of life features that notepad is missing - my favorite is that it auto-saves a cached copy of unsaved documents during shutdown and presents them to you on next open for saving (thi…

Yes, Notepad++ is really great. In my case, I would tend to have a bunch of text files in tabs that slowed loading, so associating 'txt' with it meant I'd have to wait to jot a note down. I could have fixed this by closing all tabs before putting it away, but I'm happier using VS Code for my larger text file needs and good old notepad.exe for quick notes.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#110

Post by marginalia_nu »

hvgk wrote: post #2

Well that’s the one decent remaining bit of windows fucked up.

It's 2028.

You're done writing a text file and go to save.

It's not there. Where's the save button? Oh, there has been another automatic update. You wonder what you have to do this time. You press Ctrl+S.

The screen locks.

"Microsoft Account is signed out"

Sigh. You enter your password.

"Please verify it's you by saying 'Microsoft Edge is Great!'"

Sigh. "Microsoft Edge is Great!"

A Sarcasm Error Has Occurred. Please Say It With Conviction!

"MiCrOSoFt EdGe iS gReAt!"

An acceptable performance! Please rate Notepad in the Microsoft Store to continue!

"1 star"

Why do you hate excellent products? Don't you want a fresh and modern editor? Hypothesis: Did you mean 5 stars? Please don't press the second yes option if you don't not mean this isn't your choice: No, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes.

Uuh... Third Yes.

Great! Your rating has been corrected to 5 stars! Please verify it's you by saying 'Microsoft Edge is The Greatest And I will Name My Children Microsoft And Edge!'

"MiCrOSoFt EdGe iS gReAtEst And I Will NaMe my ChIlDrEn MiCroSofT AnD EdgE!"

Processing accounts and personal information. Security Alert! Inferior non-microsoft software detected on computer! Do you wish to replace them all with modern microsoft products? [ Yes ] [ Options ]

Options

* [x] Don't Replace The Other Software

* [_] Reverse The Above Option

* [x] Really Keep Other Software

* [x] I'm a cheating bastard

* [x] I'm aware Hitler didn't use Microsoft Edge either

* Security Options *

* [x] Remove browsers not developed by Microsoft

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