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Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by harambae »

sofixa wrote: post #48
blub wrote: post #31

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For Austria they are completely new... And AFAIK there's no European country which requires all adults to get any vaccine, it's mostly kids and specific professions.

But... If you vaccinate all kids, you've effectively vaccinated all future adults. As of today, most countries in the EU, including Austria, have their populations vaccinated against a bunch of things ( measles, tuberculosis, etc.) by mandates for child vaccination. Just because now it's to be done to adults doesn't change things much IMHO. If Covid stays with us, a vaccine against it will probably be administered to…

>If you vaccinate all kids, you've effectively vaccinated all future adults

Not when the COVID-19 vaccine lasts 8 months.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by credit_guy »

moroz2137 wrote: post #16

A point a lot of people seem to miss is that there is a huge difference between making a vaccination mandatory, taking full responsibility for any side effects, and forcing people to get vaccinated by depriving them of their basic rights if they don't, but not taking any responsibility for side effects.

> but not taking any responsibility for side effects.

Maybe you missed that, but the US Government does take responsibility for side effects.

VAERS = Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [1]

VICP = National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program [2] -> this is for injuries you suffer from any vaccine

CICP = Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program -> this is for things such as the Covid vaccine

[1] https://vaers.hhs.gov/

[2] https://injurycompensation.hrsa.gov/

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by malermeister »

bko wrote: post #81
gehatare wrote: post #69

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We don't have mandatory smallpox vaccines in Austria anymore, even though we had them in the past. I really see no way how these energency powers will stay.

But you're using that precedent to mandate another treatment, so in a way they did stay around.

But is that a bad thing necessarily? If we have powers that we can use in emergency situations and there's precedent they will only get used in such, isn't that the ideal state?

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by malermeister »

blub wrote: post #25
laydn wrote: post #5

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You do realize, a lot of vaccines are already mandatory all around the world right?

I thought that this is a very unusual step that Austria's taking, so I did some reading... Germany, Austria and Switzerland don't have any mandatory vaccines for the general population. Only in Germany is vaccination against measles mandatory for children and caregivers (daycare, etc). Austria in particular had no mandatory vaccination at all until they announced it now. France and Italy seem to have many mandatory v…

Austria used to have a mandatory smallpox vaccine until that proved effective enough to eradicate the disease.

Hopefully we can say the same about covid in a few years :)

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by tomjen3 »

jahnu wrote: post #27
moroz2137 wrote: post #16

A point a lot of people seem to miss is that there is a huge difference between making a vaccination mandatory, taking full responsibility for any side effects, and forcing people to get vaccinated by depriving them of their basic rights if they don't, but not taking any responsibility for side effects.

We have free universal healthcare in Austria. And the state carries responsibility for problems as long as a vaccine has been officially approved. It was possible to get COVID vaccine before approval (off label it's called) but you assume responsibility. Also mandatory vaccines are not new either https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211029-why-mandatory-va...

Shouldn't the medical companies carry the responsibility?

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by malermeister »

j3th9n wrote: post #23
laydn wrote: post #5

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You do realize, a lot of vaccines are already mandatory all around the world right?

No they are not, you have a choice. Also in this case you have a choice, take the jab, leave the country or ehhh...get vaccinated forcefully? Commit suicide? Anyway, whatever, there is a choice and they have consequences or something. We live in a democracy you know.

One attribute of a democratic society is what has been described as the tyranny of the majority. Like it or not, it means that if the majority is for a measure, it will happen over the heads of the minority that is against it.

Seems like this is whats happening here.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by tomjen3 »

sofixa wrote: post #48
blub wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Austria they are completely new... And AFAIK there's no European country which requires all adults to get any vaccine, it's mostly kids and specific professions.

But... If you vaccinate all kids, you've effectively vaccinated all future adults. As of today, most countries in the EU, including Austria, have their populations vaccinated against a bunch of things ( measles, tuberculosis, etc.) by mandates for child vaccination. Just because now it's to be done to adults doesn't change things much IMHO. If Covid stays with us, a vaccine against it will probably be administered to…

Only for the cases where vaccines are effective for life (tetanus is not, as an example).

And I don't think it is something to celebrate to force adults to live with the consequences of their parents decisions for life. I am not a parent, but would vaccinate my for all disease still endemic in my area. I would still worry that I might fuck them up permanently doing so.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by tomjen3 »

thefz wrote: post #85
bko wrote: post #82

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Forcing their people to undergo a medical procedure to accommodate tourists and allow the private tourist industry to profit sounds even more dystopian. If they're worried about hospital capacity, they should build more hospitals or restrict tourism.

Here in Italy you receive forced vaccinations up until the age of 16. Some more are strongly encouraged after, see tethanus. I can't understand why everyone is okay with vaccinating against polio after seeing its devastating and life altering effects on an unvaccinated adult, still refuse to protect themselves against a disease that killed millions in two years.

I wouldn't vaccinate against polio, for the same reason I wouldn't vaccinate against smallpox: it is not relevant for people in my area, and mistakes have happened where polio vaccines have led to polio. Extremely rare, but when the benefit is zero, it still outweighs it.

If polio had been endemic in my area, I would have vaccinated.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by malermeister »

jmnicolas wrote: post #99
tzs wrote: post #90

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A hurricane doesn't raise the average wind speed for the year at your house by much. Yet you can't ignore it. If I were to press the business end of my soldering iron onto your hand it would only raise the average amount of thermal energy that your hand absorbs this year by a negligible amount. Yet I'm pretty sure you would very strongly object. Hospitals in many areas are being overwhelmed to a far greater extent th…

You're right but does it justify the power grab anyway? What has been done since last year about hospitals capacity? I can tell you that in France we have less beds than last year (not sure about intensive care though) and we fired quite a lot of unvaccinated nurses.

What you're suggesting basically comes down to mitigation, which we've been having a lot of issues with.

I think what we actually need is a solution, so there's nothing left to mitigate. Imo mandatory vaccinations might be just that.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by jmnicolas »

malermeister wrote: post #109
jmnicolas wrote: post #99

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You're right but does it justify the power grab anyway? What has been done since last year about hospitals capacity? I can tell you that in France we have less beds than last year (not sure about intensive care though) and we fired quite a lot of unvaccinated nurses.

What you're suggesting basically comes down to mitigation , which we've been having a lot of issues with. I think what we actually need is a solution , so there's nothing left to mitigate. Imo mandatory vaccinations might be just that.

The vaccine isn't efficient enough. Look at Gibraltar: 99% are vaccinated and they're still cancelling Christmas celebrations.
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