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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by surajrmal »

svachalek wrote: post #85
civilized wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's why Google has made a few dozen amazing things while FB has made basically one thing and acquired the rest. A culture that respects engineering leadership.

It's hard to think of something amazing from Google that they didn't acquire other than the search engine. Maps, YouTube, Android were all acquisitions. Most Google internal projects are future entries in the "Google graveyard". The better stuff I can think of is mostly deep technical stuff like Map Reduce built to support search. Facebook has also done fairly well with things that are pillars to support the (formerl…

Chrome, Gmail, drive, Chromecast, duo, call screening. There are plenty of entirely home grown products that have succeeded. Discounting products which have had the vast majority of their growth and featureset built out while under Google is also a but dismissive of it's role in making them successful.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by cbozeman »

pm90 wrote: post #61
freewilly1040 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve certainly faced an onslaught from the press, which has decided they are Philip Morris 2.0. It’s very unclear if that is going to translate into actual legal trouble. If I was at FB I’d be more concerned with how young people are rejecting it.

Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation. The Press is doing their job: finding out what goes on inside Facebook and reporting on it. As someone not really involved either way, the responses of Facebook to legitimate questions has been entirely unsatisfactory and justifies the negative coverage they’ve receive…

> Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation.

That's mainstream media's job... that's why they're pissed. Anyone remember Mika Bres-whatever saying on national television, "They're telling people what to think! That-that's our job!"

I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quU_Tbv96Wk

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by cbozeman »

chefkoch wrote: post #98
missinfo wrote: post #73

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I don't think the root problem is any one person, given that Twitter is even more destructive to society. It's the users, it's the incentives of the platforms, it's bad actors. There's low trust, a breakdown of institutions, a raging culture war. It's complicated.

How so? Twitter has perhabs less than 10% of users as Facebook.

Twitter has out-sized influence.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by blihp »

woodruffw wrote: post #42
gfosco wrote: post #36

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Sure. I also worked at Facebook for 7.5 years first, and witnessed this performative cancer growing in real-time.

I’m not any particular fan of Facebook, but to run with the cancer analogy: normally a cancer consumes and destroys its host. To the best of my knowledge, Facebook’s market valuation has basically only gone up for the last decade. The only (and very recent) bumps for then have been privacy related, which are closer to the core business than to any diversity initiatives they might have. So where, exactly, is the cance…

To run further with the analogy: it can go years without being diagnosed. Right now Facebook is in the 'I feel fine, I don't need to go to the doctor' phase. By the time the market starts penalizing a company things are usually on the decline, if not in free fall.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by campbel »

mkl95 wrote: post #22

This is an entirely subjective take, but in the last few years FB seem to have evolved from one the coolest places for an engineer to being at the bottom of FAANG. I wonder if a significant amount of those people are looking for positions at Google/Amazon or they are taking their expertise somewhere else.

I've never understood obsession with FAANG. Seems like it is only meaningful to younger folks in the industry looking to establish themselves. You want FAANG on your resume so you can get the job you really want.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ferdowsi »

As the negative perception of Facebook engineering picks up it'll be interesting to see where this heads. There's been precious little conversation about the stewardship model of React.JS, in which Facebook has an outsized role.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an effort to divest React from Facebook, given the potential reputational risk to the React project.

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Post by pbourke »

ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

At a certain size, big tech develops efficient systems to transmute forward-thinking younger talent into slightly jaded mid career pros excited for 1% improvements and 30s off the build. The world needs both types of people and companies need them both in different measures at different points in their trajectories.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by marstall »

campbel wrote: post #105
mkl95 wrote: post #22

This is an entirely subjective take, but in the last few years FB seem to have evolved from one the coolest places for an engineer to being at the bottom of FAANG. I wonder if a significant amount of those people are looking for positions at Google/Amazon or they are taking their expertise somewhere else.

I've never understood obsession with FAANG. Seems like it is only meaningful to younger folks in the industry looking to establish themselves. You want FAANG on your resume so you can get the job you really want.

they pay 2-3x.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by wly_cdgr »

When you have a large company that recruits in large part on comp, perks, security, and prestige, over time that will destroy the company culture no matter how good it was at the start. Because you're gonna attract bland, boring, competent but mediocre people by recruiting on those things, and their mid-tier mindsets will gradually pollute and dilute everything that might have been remarkable about the place in the early days. At some point it gets bad enough that even the mid-tier people want to leave because the culture and work have gotten too boring even for them, or the prestige/security side has eroded because,...well, because too many people like them have been there for too long. This problem isn't unique to Facebook...all the FAANG type companies share it to various degrees. It is ridiculous and shameful to blame Zuck. Zuck has fed and clothed half this industry for most of two decades
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